side arm carrying before 21?

[JustinM]

Originally Posted by TwistedCopper

That's not really applicable. That drill is done with a knife attacker and the defender has a holstered weapon and hands at shoulder height.

He was suggesting that defending a handgun attack (when the gun is already presented and likey already sighted on you) with a knife is futile.

He's right.

I must of misread his post; good point, though.

[Mark]

just a couple of points

I'm 19 years old. lets get that out of the way right now.

i've trained in marshal arts for yeas and if someone pulls a gun on my i'm F ed in the A.

I'm going to college in Vermont next year. My dad's gifting me a kal tec 45 for pocket carry on campus.

I would love to open carry but i just can't get a gift in a form that i can open carry. when i'm at my friends house in dicksoncity i open carry his dad's .22 roveler

[PA Rifleman]

Originally Posted by Mark

...I'm going to college in Vermont next year. My dad's gifting me a kal tec 45 for pocket carry on campus.

Sounds like your question is more about Vermont. Check the info below, you might need to make a few calls to see about age requirements as the source doesn't address the age question.

http://www.packing.org/state/vermont/

Vermont is unique in that permits are not required for carry concealed or unconcealed for resident and non-resident alike. Local ordinances vary, though. VT has no statutes concerning concealed carry, nor is there a specific statute that allows it. In the absence of a statute that prohibits it, then it is taken that there is no law against it.

Title 13: Chpt. 85: § 4003.

• School Buildings. (The law says School Buildings and does not mention Primary, Secondary or College So all school buildings, both public and private, are off limits.)
• Any state institution or upon the grounds or lands owned or leased for the use of such institution, without the approval of the warden or superintendent of the institution. (This Section Probably covers Colleges as well, but would certainly apply to state hospitals and correctional facilities)
• Court Houses.
• A building with controlled points of public access, metal screening devices at each point of public access, and locked compartments, accessible only to security personnel, for storage of checked firearms.

Vermont State Police
103 South Main Street
Waterbury, Vermont 05671-2101
Phone: 802-244-7345
Fax: Unk
http://www.dps.state.vt.us/vtsp/
Email: smartin@dps.state.vt.us

[Skuggi]

Originally Posted by MarcS

You want to go ahead and ask me how much firearms training I had before I turned 21? There's plenty of mature and capable 18yo's out there.

Look, all you need to do is get your father to get you a handgun as a "gift" and give it to you. Then you may open carry anywhere in the state except for Philadelphia and while in a vehicle. If you can find a state that will issue you a non-res permit at 18, then you can even carry openly in your vehicle.

One issue: expect harassment from the police, expect to be arrested and go to court a few times. You'll always walk because there's no law, but the authorities will make it inconvenient for you. Prior to turning 21 I just carried a collapsible baton concealed in my waistband to avoid the trouble.\

I'll also recommend you get some serious training, but that goes for everyone.

pretty much what he said, but in my 3 months or so of open carrying, i've been hassled for a total of 5 minutes. and that was just the officer trying to convince me concealed carry is better.

Now also remember, to get a handgun at 18 it does have to be a gift, if it's found out you would do something like give your dad money to buy it for you, it can fall under "Straw Purchase".

You may also want to keep a copy of the open carry training memo, or hell the UFA in your pocket

[MarcS]

Originally Posted by TwistedCopper

He was suggesting that defending a handgun attack (when the gun is already presented and likey already sighted on you) with a knife is futile.

He's right.

Depends how close he is. Within arms reach, he could be wrong.

Weapon disarms are viable and work in practice. I had one scenario in a FOF class where i was the only one not shot because I went for a disarm instead of a weapon.

[Coustain]

Originally Posted by rand

.....I remember when I hated being under 21, and as a matter of fact, sometimes I long to be [i]18, 19 or 20 again.

+1


Amen

[Skuggi]

Originally Posted by MarcS

Depends how close he is. Within arms reach, he could be wrong.

Weapon disarms are viable and work in practice. I had one scenario in a FOF class where i was the only one not shot because I went for a disarm instead of a weapon.

Correct. Within arms reach I have disarmed on the street ready to piss myself afterwards.

[poorman]

im 19, and i open carry all the time. My group of friends go to the range, shoot defensively, do holster retention training, and close quarters disarming. you name it, we do it, or will at least start doing it. what im trying to say is, that we pretty much do everything we can to be as safe as we can while carrying concealed or openly, and two of us are 19. I do agree that the majority of 18-21 yro's arent ready for the responsibilities of carrying, those typically arent the people who would want to carry-imo at least. I for one think that since they have the open carry open to 18 year olds, they should just go ahead and lower the age for ccw to 18, maybe just make it harder to get or something, or allow the background check to go into the juvy files? but i do think its crap that i can carry but not buy ammo or guns, or carry in my car, which is a hassle in itself.

[MarcS]

Originally Posted by poorman

im 19, and i open carry all the time. My group of friends go to the range, shoot defensively, do holster retention training, and close quarters disarming. you name it, we do it, or will at least start doing it. what im trying to say is, that we pretty much do everything we can to be as safe as we can while carrying concealed or openly, and two of us are 19. I do agree that the majority of 18-21 yro's arent ready for the responsibilities of carrying, those typically arent the people who would want to carry-imo at least. I for one think that since they have the open carry open to 18 year olds, they should just go ahead and lower the age for ccw to 18, maybe just make it harder to get or something, or allow the background check to go into the juvy files? but i do think its crap that i can carry but not buy ammo or guns, or carry in my car, which is a hassle in itself.

what's the training background you and your friends have? Just asking because you live very close to a friend of mine and i'm up there occasionally doing training.

[poorman]

I dont have formal training, but those of us in our group of friends that haven't, get things from my buddy that was a corpsman, and our other buddy that was a Marine. We also do IDPA style shoots, but since we arent in a competition with each other we make it a little different- our other friend that is an LEO in Renovo i believe helps us out with that. Also the Corpsman studied jujutsu, so he helps us out with weapon retention and disarmament. other then the shooting, we do pretty informally, like we just get together and hang out and do it.

you are welcome to join us for whatever you like.