Soccer parents wince at prospect of guns at games

[PennsyPlinker]

Originally Posted by Tequila Sunrise

Although it's all about rights to carry, sports, any kind of sports and guns don't mix. On the professional level or sand lot. One needs to only watch the news about little league parents going bizerk and beating up an Umpire in front of kids. Or a father on a football field who plowed down a player for tackeling his kid. I was a soccer coach for 19 years and I've seen it all. Perfectly normal parents were going to beat the heck out of a ref. when I arrived at the field. And I mean all of them! My size and the language I was using was the only thing that detered these people. I even had a player from another team start a fight with one of my players and both benches cleared right before my eyes in a matter of seconds, and parents on the field as well.
All of the above things really happened including my personal experiences. What would have happened if guns where in the mix? I'd hate to think of that.
I'd like to hear from anyone who has ever coached anything. Of course everyone else will coment as well,(perferably if you have kids) but any Gym teachers, or any kind of coaches out there have an opinion on this isuue?

A lot of the things I would have written have already been written in response to this, but I will ask you one more question. How many of the berserker parents at these games have pulled out their legally carried gun and started shooting the ref, the players, or other parents? The fact of the matter is, these people that fight like this are not perfectly normal all the rest of the time. They are time bombs waiting to snap. And that is all the more reason to carry some sort of protection - like a gun - in case they snap on me. Sane, mature individuals show the characteristic of self restraint. The people fighting at these games don't fit the description of sane, normal, or mature.

[shefearsnothing]

What would have happened if guns where in the mix?

An armed society is a polite society....

Obviously it is the "sports" that are inciting the violence. No problem, simply ban them! - Right?

Touche! Rep coming!

It's the mentality of the people, not the sports or the guns!

Ok, so you admit it's the PEOPLE that are the problem AND you admit it's NOT the guns. Well, we're on the right page...

And yep, I have kids that play sports. They just played fall soccer in fact.

[TaePo]

Originally Posted by Tequila Sunrise

It's the mentality of the people, not the sports or the guns!
Carry your heart away. I would hope the few people that do carry at soccer games and such would not get involved in such stupid actions. I've seen it first hand and I repeat perfectly normal parents.(not with guns) I don't believe there have been any incidents involving guns at such events anyway so purely hypethedical. There has been a few kooks with knives at pro baseball games though, that has happened.(the father and son kooks come to mind) Banning anything is not the answer. There are no answers only laws, and there is no law against it in pa, correct? Let's see if anything happens next season as far as the comment about taking guns away from people if they bring them to the soccer fields.
Who's going to enforce that one? By the way do you have children in sports?

Legal carriers tend to be smart about carrying and understand the responsibility.

Most times you hear about a shooting that is not self defense or possibly self defense related it is by someone who is not legally carrying.

[mikey]

Well, I had a long post all typed up and went to eat supper and everyone said what I was going to say for the most part.

One thing I was going to say was about my experience of going to my son's soccer games for the past 14 years. Of course anything can happen, but in all my years of going to hundreds of games, I never saw a riot break out or anything even close to physical violence between players, coaches, parents, or referees. The sheriff's statement in court of, and I quote from the transcript, "Well, any kind of an excited or excitement might surface, a goal that was made or a goal that was not made .The parent -- you know, one of the circumstances could set the entire group off into a riot situation, and create a dangerous situation." is totally a crock of crap. He was just making his story up as he went along.

As Meleanie said, "An armed society is a polite society". I know when I open carry, I am not going to get into a confrontation unless there is no other way to avoid it. People are so polite when they are around armed people. It should be this way when people are not armed too, but for some reason, it never seems to work out that way. As for the jerks that can't keep it under control at sporting events, they should be the ones going to court, not the peaceful babes carrying guns, minding there own business.

[ChrisF4i]

Originally Posted by Tequila Sunrise

All of the above things really happened including my personal experiences. What would have happened if guns where in the mix? I'd hate to think of that.

How do you know that some of them were not carrying??


Edit: I see that my point was already touched on. Should've read all the way through.

[Tequila Sunrise]

Originally Posted by ChrisF4i

How do you know that some of them were not carrying??


Edit: I see that my point was already touched on. Should've read all the way through.

Chris do you see where I live? New Germany. They still could have been carrying for sure, but more than likely there was no gun. I am here because I have a ccw. Trying to see the mindset of the rest of America.

[Pa. Patriot]

Originally Posted by TaePo

Legal carriers tend to be smart about carrying and understand the responsibility.

Most times you hear about a shooting that is not self defense or possibly self defense related it is by someone who is not legally carrying.

Ding!

Legal carriers typically divorce themselves from situations where adults act like morons. Not participate in same.

TS, you need to escape from NJ before it rots your brain

[TaePo]

Originally Posted by Tequila Sunrise

Chris do you see where I live? New Germany. They still could have been carrying for sure, but more than likely there was no gun. I am here because I have a ccw. Trying to see the mindset of the rest of America.

Then I wonder what the rate of upset parents, teams, coaches and refs are (just kids games mind you) in Pa vs. NJ?

Knowing others may be armed; would that make a difference in the number of 'incidents' in each of the states or not?

I bet if the government ran a spot about aggressive driving, "Remember, don't do it, x% of people in Pa have a gun license. The numbers may be much greater for those who do not carry on a license."

I would bet that would affect people. They might get excited, then think before they made a situation worse. There will, of course, be the hard core ones that nothing short of meeting their end would abate their bad habits. And I mean by accident and not a shooting BTW!

[indianjack]

Originally Posted by -JD-

Obviously it is the "sports" that are inciting the violence. No problem, simply ban them! - Right?

Sorry way to much money from TV.

[87th PVI]

Had a step daughter who did 6 years of cheerleading... I didn't wear mine to any games that I can recall, but I know that there was a football mom on our team who cc'd all the time. Never any problems. based upon the stats of how many LTCFs are issued, I wouldn't think a prediction that there is likely an avg of at least one legal cc'd firearm at every little league game in the state would be far fetched. Just a guess, but It would not surprise me if it were accurate.