Soccer parents wince at prospect of guns at games

[headcase]

CQB,

I am really going to try to stay away from further responses to you in this thread. I would like to point out, in a last ditch effort to get you to see what almost everyone else is seeing here, that there is a difference between making points by responding to specific points in posts, and responding to a something that no one said as if they actually did say it. As just one example, in one of my responses back around page 45, I said you had been rude and had disparaged the actions of some as (para quoting here)"ruining all the hard work that has gone into defending our rights". You replied to that part by denying that you disparaged anyone's hard work. So what I said was you were blaming people for doing things that you thought were damaging all the previous work done to help secure our rights. You responded by acting as if I said you were saying that working hard for our rights was stupid. You have done this sort of thing multiple times in this thread, and instead of seeing where you maybe misread something or misunderstood something, you go off on yet an angrier rant because you were called on it. I am not trying to get you to change your opinion. I was trying to get you to stop denigrating others for theirs. Others tried too. RL friends tried. It took someone attacking Judy to get you to post one normal post here.

You went off the reservation in this thread, and no one even suggested an apology or a retraction, just that you take a breath, reexamine what you were posting, and, well, stop yourself. That's all I got.

[mjfletcher]

Originally Posted by Adam-12

I think I confused your viewpoint with the person's you were replying to, so my point is appropriate for him, not you: that OC at games isn't simply a political statement; it's a simple preparation to defend one's kids.

Sorry for my confusion.

No problem, misunderstandings occur. Sorry for my curt response, too many people distorting what someone posts has me 'jumping the gun,' so to speak (pun fully intended ).

[CQB]

Pennsy,

I deleted my post attacking you. I do apologize. I can honestly say I spoke before I thought. I should have re-worded the post, but I think the point would be lost. In meaning that I stepped on my own crank and the point would be overlooked.

Again, my apologies to you.

David


EDITED TO ADD: If you don't mind, please edit your quote from me.

[PennsyPlinker]

Originally Posted by CQB

Pennsy,

I deleted my post attacking you. I do apologize. I can honestly say I spoke before I thought. I should have re-worded the post, but I think the point would be lost. In meaning that I stepped on my own crank and the point would be overlooked.

Again, my apologies to you.

David

No, the point would not be overlooked. I am not perfect, and I do not expect it from anyone else. We all do things that we regret. The important thing is getting past them and moving on. Thank you for your post. I look forward to meeting you and your wife again, and a time where we can discuss things as friends.

Proverbs 27:17 Iron sharpens iron, So one man sharpens another.

Opposing viewpoints are not always bad, and working through them in a constructive manner makes us all better and stronger.

ETA: I have edited my entire reply. Thanks, and I look forward to meeting you again.

[CQB]

Originally Posted by PennsyPlinker

No, the point would not be overlooked. I am not perfect, and I do not expect it from anyone else. We all do things that we regret. The important thing is getting past them and moving on. Thank you for your post. I look forward to meeting you and your wife again, and a time where we can discuss things as friends.

Proverbs 27:17 Iron sharpens iron, So one man sharpens another.

Opposing viewpoints are not always bad, and working through them in a constructive manner makes us all better and stronger.

There will always be friendship! I will never let an opposing viewpoint come between that.

I may be cras and blunt, but I'm not close minded and narrow.

[Petalpusher]

Originally Posted by PennsyPlinker

It is not very often that I am at a loss for words, but this post, these words, have left me unable to formulate much of a reply. I can't remember the last time I saw something this condescending on the forum here. Maybe you could schedule an appearance somewhere so we can all come and bask in your presence.

Pennsy we met briefly at a BBQ in Luzerne County. It was a short bask! These were just my opinions. If I would have known they were going to fire everyone up I would have at least entertained with a wink or a yoo-betch-a here and there!

[Petalpusher]

Originally Posted by The_War_Wagon

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Ugh. THIS parent winces at the thought of youth soccer. Or ANY soccer. REAL gun owners take their boys SCOUTING; anti-gun weenies go to soccer.

Now donning fireproof kevlar...

Bob

Now this is just hilarious!

[TaePo]

Originally Posted by CQB

I've been waiting to say this for a long time...

Apples to oranges! Smoking isn't a right!

BUT OUR GUN CARRYING IS A RIGHT AND YOU BETTER RESPECT THAT! EVEN THOUGH I DON'T HAVE TO RESPECT HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT IT!

You'll all get far with that mentality.

Respect, look it up. In order to get respect, you have to give it. I know, I know, the antis don't give us any at all! I thought we were supposed to be better than that.

I was comparing one lawful activity to another and comparing being courteous or not as not being discourteous. Per another post.

By your definition then, you support OC at any place/time, correct?

But this is not what I have been gathering from your posts.

Your apples to oranges is premature and based on a misinterpretation of what I was saying.

Listen. Comprehend, ask questions, then respond.

I am talking about lawful activities and it is difficult and sometimes obtuse to find another complete right to substitute. I still believe the logic holds and is something common that everyone is familiar and can identify with it.


ETA = BTW CQB, most would not change for anyone else. We must, however, change for ourselves.

[headcase]

Originally Posted by CQB

Pennsy,

I deleted my post attacking you. I do apologize. I can honestly say I spoke before I thought. I should have re-worded the post, but I think the point would be lost. In meaning that I stepped on my own crank and the point would be overlooked.

Again, my apologies to you.

David


EDITED TO ADD: If you don't mind, please edit your quote from me.

Originally Posted by PennsyPlinker

No, the point would not be overlooked. I am not perfect, and I do not expect it from anyone else. We all do things that we regret. The important thing is getting past them and moving on. Thank you for your post. I look forward to meeting you and your wife again, and a time where we can discuss things as friends.

Proverbs 27:17 Iron sharpens iron, So one man sharpens another.

Opposing viewpoints are not always bad, and working through them in a constructive manner makes us all better and stronger.

ETA: I have edited my entire reply. Thanks, and I look forward to meeting you again.

In the interest of respecting this exchange, I have deleted the offending quote from my response as well.
ETA~ OK, maybe you didn't completely lose my respect......

[exceltoexcel]

Originally Posted by Petalpusher

According to some the anti's don't have rights?!?!?! Or did I read that wrong?

Excel as you stated above respect give and take it should be...I agree. These "anti's are not being given ANY respect how can we possible ask for any in return?!? We (meaning "pro's" because when one person speaks the anti's hear us all speak unfortunately) consider their opinions typical, their concerns irrational, and their lack of knowledge shortsighted.

Respect is never to be given, it is to be earned.

The only respect one should give is a standard to all humans.

This "standard" or common respect is not directed at the individual but to the common rights an individual should have regardless of their position or opinion.

We have listed legal rights to establish and support this common respect.

I heard of nothing done to any of these individuals (antis) that comprosises this common respect nor the rights that support this common respect.

I have not heard of an incident in which they were denied any common respect.. I.e. ran onto the field and kicked the ball or pushed someone to the ground...

Please elaborate on what repect or right anyone violated here toward the anti's?

The rules of common respect do not include having to agree with opinions nor making anyone more comfortable of your own.

However tolerance of a difference of opinion is common respect.

Let's play the scenario out.


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She wears a firearm.

Someone says they don't like it.

She says she does.

They disagree.

No one shoves either to the ground or acts like a child.

They tolerate us wearing the firearm, we tolerate their opinions.

Then we both agree to disagree.

However, you don't stop doing what you're doing and they don't change their opinion.

Which side didn't give each other respect in that exchange?
.........


Answer.

Both gave common respect, to at least a reasonable level.

One might argue that accosting someone who isn't causing any real problems because of their personal beliefs is at least slightly rude.

I would argue that so long as the exchange isn't heated nor physical that the exchange is reasonable.


However this is how I read the incident really played out.

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Don't wear that

I will

I'm telling!

It's legal.

I don't care I'm going to make you pay!

LTCF revoked because I don't like it.

LTCF restored because it is legal.

Consistent chastising...

.....................................


Which side didn't give the other common respect here?



I might hate everything you stand for or visa versa, that doesn't give either side the right to disrespect the other in such a way as to violate rights (common respect supportive laws called rights).


In this case those WERE violated. Not by her, but by a few of "them"..