Soccer parents wince at prospect of guns at games

[fingers80002]

Originally Posted by PennsyPlinker

It is not very often that I am at a loss for words, but this post, these words, have left me unable to formulate much of a reply. I can't remember the last time I saw something this condescending on the forum here. Maybe you could schedule an appearance somewhere so we can all come and bask in your presence.

Just don't OC there.

[TaePo]

Opinion: "I don't like your open carry here. Could you put it in your car or cover it up, please?"

Infringement: "Hey Sheriff, this is what happened and I don't like it. Do something, anything." (LTCF is unlawfully revoked by Sheriff)

NOT synonymous.

In the first instance, if one were to cover it up or place in a vehicle when in a public space, then one would be courteous in respecting someone else's wishes.

However, if one were to ignore the request one is not being discourteous.

For example, if you are in a smoking section, and someone sits down in your area and asks (politely, I hope), "Could you put that out, please? It bothers me."

Now, they have chosen to sit in a designated smoking area (before PA law change) knowing that people might be lawfully smoking there because the non-smoking section was full and they did not want to wait.

If you put out your cigarette, you are being courteous, because there is no legal or moral expectation requiring you to do so.

By the same reasoning, if you do not extinguish your smoke, you are not being discourteous as you are well within legal and moral boundaries to continue doing what you are doing.

ETA = If you ignore their request and they become obnoxious or complain to management or say you were being rude and disorderly to them so you get thrown out, who is really being disourteous, immoral and acting outside the law?

[CQB]

Originally Posted by fingers80002

Just don't OC there.

Wow, another sensible shot at a fellow gunowner.

What part of she isn't against OC did you not get? Oh, let me guess, because she doesn't actively participate then it is okay to shoot her down? As is so common here on this website anymore.

Maybe if you all take a step back and THINK about what you are doing before you do it. There wouldn't be so many LTCFs revoked. And so many members here could put their money to better use instead of having to bail out those that aren't thinking about what they do.

[CQB]

Originally Posted by kurt 10/22

Did you read the original post by SFN about the confrontation at the soccer game ?

How does simply explaining the law, and that, that is how you always carry your firearm equate to being a zealot ?

Did SFN ever say she represented all of us ?

When you say " instantly feeling like their rights have been infringed upon because someone has an opinion that isn't parallel to their own. " are you referring to the soccer parents who started the ball rolling to have SFN's LTCF revoked ? ( sarcasm )

The fact is that SFN was going about her daily routine, and was confronted by some people who did not like it. They then set into motion the process that eventually led to her LTCF being revoked.

Where is the zealot ? Where is the activist ? The media turned SFN into those things, if that is the way you choose to apply those labels.

Personally, I feel that " victim " is the only appropriate label.

No where in this post did it mention SFN.

Wow, a little bit of projecting going on?

[CQB]

Originally Posted by TaePo

Opinion: "I don't like your open carry here. Could you put it in your car or cover it up, please?"

Infringement: "Hey Sheriff, this is what happened and I don't like it. Do something, anything." (LTCF is unlawfully revoked by Sheriff)

NOT synonymous.

In the first instance, if one were to cover it up or place in a vehicle when in a public space, then one would be courteous in respecting someone else's wishes.

However, if one were to ignore the request one is not being discourteous.

For example, if you are in a smoking section, and someone sits down in your area and asks (politely, I hope), "Could you put that out, please? It bothers me."

Now, they have chosen to sit in a designated smoking area (before PA law change) knowing that people might be lawfully smoking there because the non-smoking section was full and they did not want to wait.

If you put out your cigarette, you are being courteous, because there is no legal or moral expectation requiring you to do so.

By the same reasoning, if you do not extinguish your smoke, you are not being discourteous as you are well within legal and moral boundaries to continue doing what you are doing.

ETA = If you ignore their request and they become obnoxious or complain to management or say you were being rude and disorderly to them so you get thrown out, who is really being disourteous, immoral and acting outside the law?

I've been waiting to say this for a long time...

Apples to oranges! Smoking isn't a right!

BUT OUR GUN CARRYING IS A RIGHT AND YOU BETTER RESPECT THAT! EVEN THOUGH I DON'T HAVE TO RESPECT HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT IT!

You'll all get far with that mentality.

Respect, look it up. In order to get respect, you have to give it. I know, I know, the antis don't give us any at all! I thought we were supposed to be better than that.

[mjf]

Originally Posted by CQB

Maybe if you all take a step back and THINK about what you are doing before you do it. There wouldn't be so many LTCFs revoked. And so many members here could put their money to better use instead of having to bail out those that aren't thinking about what they do.

Nobody's ever begged, poked, or prodded for folks to give donations to help protect someone's civil right. Nobody has ever forced anyone to give anything... it's always been out of the spirit of helping someone in an unjust situation, which in turn, also helps to protect a civil right.

[CQB]

Originally Posted by mjf

Nobody's ever begged, poked, or prodded for folks to give donations to help protect someone's civil right. Nobody has ever forced anyone to give anything... it's always been out of the spirit of helping someone in an unjust situation, which in turn, also helps to protect a civil right.

Did I ever say otherwise?

Nope sure as hell didn't!

[headcase]

Originally Posted by CQB

Wow, another sensible shot at a fellow gunowner.

What part of she isn't against OC did you not get? Oh, let me guess, because she doesn't actively participate then it is okay to shoot her down? As is so common here on this website anymore.

Maybe if you all take a step back and THINK about what you are doing before you do it. There wouldn't be so many LTCFs revoked. And so many members here could put their money to better use instead of having to bail out those that aren't thinking about what they do.

Originally Posted by CQB

No where in this post did it mention SFN.

Wow, a little bit of projecting going on?

Originally Posted by CQB

I've been waiting to say this for a long time...

Apples to oranges! Smoking isn't a right!

BUT OUR GUN CARRYING IS A RIGHT AND YOU BETTER RESPECT THAT! EVEN THOUGH I DON'T HAVE TO RESPECT HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT IT!

You'll all get far with that mentality.

Respect, look it up. In order to get respect, you have to give it. I know, I know, the antis don't give us any at all! I thought we were supposed to be better than that.

Originally Posted by CQB

Did I ever say otherwise?

Nope sure as hell didn't!

Whether or not it means anything, you have lost all my respect. I was hoping you were just having a bad day, or even week, but obviously you are just going to keep grinding your axe. You have twisted almost every response in your replies. You have responded to things you must have heard in your head, as there was nothing even close to some of the replies you've made. I kind of hoped you'd get better, but at this point I couldn't care less. I really thought you better than the nonsense you have been spewing in this thread. For anyone else who reads this, before the meaning gets twisted, I don't care what your position on this issue is. I didn't really care that CQB took the position he did, although I was surprised. My issue has been the tone, the putting words in people's mouths-even when actually quoting the original post-, and the sheer disrespect. None of those attribute appeared in your previous posts and even if you were on the other side of an issue I could respect where you were coming from. Not this time. You have lost the respect of myself, and a few others, and have earn my pity. It was a shame you couldn't, or choose not to, pull up out of your nose dive... (shakes head while walking away).........

[CQB]

Originally Posted by headcase

Whether or not it means anything, you have lost all my respect. I was hoping you were just having a bad day, or even week, but obviously you are just going to keep grinding your axe. You have twisted almost every response in your replies. You have responded to things you must have heard in your head, as there was nothing even close to some of the replies you've made. I kind of hoped you'd get better, but at this point I couldn't care less. I really thought you better than the nonsense you have been spewing in this thread. For anyone else who reads this, before the meaning gets twisted, I don't care what your position on this issue is. I didn't really care that CQB took the position he did, although I was surprised. My issue has been the tone, the putting words in people's mouths-even when actually quoting the original post-, and the sheer disrespect. None of those attribute appeared in your previous posts and even if you were on the other side of an issue I could respect where you were coming from. Not this time. You have lost the respect of myself, and a few others, and have earn my pity. It was a shame you couldn't, or choose not to, pull up out of your nose dive... (shakes head while walking away).........

Actually I've quoted peoples posts and answered them as I saw fit. Call it what you want.

You call it non-sense. I call it making points. I call it looking at it from the other side. I'm trying to get a WHOLE sense of the things that are going on.

You've lost respect for me. I don't know what to say. Other than, I figured that would be a typical response. You don't like the way I "Come off." I won't change for you or anyone else. Kind of like you won't change for anyone else. You, like me, are set in your ways. I make no apologies for that.

I have not put words in anyones mouth. I have simply quoted the posts directed at me and answered how I saw fit.

Example: the last post you quoted me on. I simply answered the poster in respect that I never stated what he was insinuating. I guess if you call that twisting, that's your thing. I call it answering.

I won't roll over for anyone here. I will state my opinions and my feelings. If you all can't except that, I guess you don't need to read it. If there is something that I don't agree with, I'll share it.

I've read a lot of posts here. Many claiming I'm no better than the antis. However, if what I have posted is sooooo bad, why is it than I get so much good rep for it? Why is it that there are those out there that agree with me more than disagree?

My question still has not been answered...

Let me ask you all this...If OC is such a right that you have and can excersise freely at anytime, why didn't you all go and have a little OC rally at the soccer field after SFN's big win in court?


Why will this not be answered? No one compromises right? It is a right that can be freely excersised right?

All I asked for was an answer.

I guess the worst case, I will get banned for my THOUGHTS and OPINIONS. No matter how they come out or how they are interpreted. The best case, many, many more gunowners will read this and see both sides. Maybe they will form an opinion of their own. Who knows, I may just some more positive reps.

I can accept what peoples feelings are. I can accept how people carry a firearm. I can accept how they chose not to carry. I support them at all times. I don't have to agree with it. But I still support them. Something that many of you overlook when it comes to my opinions. If you cannot accept what I say or even what my thoughts and opinions are, I can't help you. I won't force you into it. Nor, will I ever try to force anyone into seeing something they don't. Kind of like looking at it from the other side.

[gnbrotz]

Originally Posted by CQB

Let me ask you all this...If OC is such a right that you have and can excersise freely at anytime, why didn't you all go and have a little OC rally at the soccer field after SFN's big win in court?

Speaking from a completely individual point of view:

It wasn't necessary, because the Judge's ruling made this point. However, if the ruling had went the other way, such a visit would have certainly received serious consideration - at least from me.