Soccer parents wince at prospect of guns at games

[ScaredOnce]

Originally Posted by Philbert

In the examples I've seen, PAFOA is mentioned only by the article authors. I haven't seen a direct quote from anyone here talking about being members of PAFOA. So the problem might be reporters hitting google and making their own conclusions about who is who around here.

True. As aforementioned:

I think one should bear in mind that you don't have to intend for a message to be mistaken as the position of the general membership of PAFOA; but, it'd be prudent to understand that precluding such an inference by the media is also your duty.

Tactical versus Strategic... Think of all the ways that someone may perceive your message. Then, only permit them to observe actions and communications that, however taken, support your best intended outcomes.

[fingers80002]

Originally Posted by Brown-Bear

The polar bear is right. No man has any more right to force their agenda on me than I do on him. All any free man can do is, what he feels is right for him in any given situation. But I will say that us gunowners need to get on the ball with our mutual support of our OVERALL agenda. Which is the conservation of the 2A.

Dave

I agree, when the OC/CC rights are gone, Hunters are next.

I am a Hunter, AK owner, I OC, and CC, Am I somehow a PRIME TARGET????

[Brown-Bear]

Originally Posted by fingers80002

I agree, when the OC/CC rights are gone, Hunters are next.

I am a Hunter, AK owner, I OC, and CC, Am I somehow a PRIME TARGET????

Are you a PRIME TARGET? I would say no. But as a fellow military man I trust you understand what I mean when I say you are a "Secondary target of opportunity". The antis I believe will take what they can get, when they can get it. Any victory no matter how small will satiate their appetite.

Dave

[Philbert]

Originally Posted by ScaredOnce

True. As aforementioned:

Tactical versus Strategic... Think of all the ways that someone may perceive your message. Then, only permit them to observe actions and communications that, however taken, support your best intended outcomes.

Right. I'm just saying it might not be necessary for you to mention PAFOA at all, much less to say anything that could be misconstrued as speaking for the membership.

[Emptymag]

Originally Posted by ScaredOnce

Dave, I really see what you're getting at here and agree completely. I'm truly concerned that the affinity for attention may be one of the largest negatives of this whole issue. Way too much blathering to the press took place in my opinion without any real control plan. Often, those involved in so called "crisis communication" have no realization that they are in fact participating in such. Good example - Kennedy Administration during Cuban Missile Crisis. Bad example - Lee R. Raymond at any point after Exxon's Valdez disaster. There used to be a course at Carnegie Mellon on management communication skills (75-995 if I recal, Tom Hajduk taught it in GSIA - it's Tepper now). Google up the course work. I think it might help.

Now, nothing against SFN or any other actor in the current happenings, but I can cite one issue I'm disconcerted by. A lot of the references to being PAFOA members I think were misplaced. While in fact you may be a member, the implication could exist that your position is the position of the general membership. It isn't. At least, it hasn't been stated to be as such. I think one should bear in mind that you don't have to intend for a message to be mistaken as the position of the general membership of PAFOA; but, it'd be prudent to understand that precluding such an inference by the media is also your duty. Give them enough rope, they might hang you... not themselves... maybe "us" even.

I suppose that this entire event could be studied as the consequences of a non-unified front in any communications issue.


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This is precisely how I'm viewing a lot of the things I'm seeing lately.

When I think to myself, "Oh, WHY did they have to mention PAFOA?", that says something, because I'm always looking for ways to tell people about the forum.

There are some things that, when done without careful thought or planning, can do more harm than good.

Ignoring reality, and shouting about things that 99% of people don't understand, let alone agree with, isn't likely going to turn into a "win".

Forgive me if I'm off topic. I've just read a few of the recent posts here and the one above caught my eye, so I thought I'd respond.

[ScaredOnce]

Originally Posted by Emptymag

This is precisely how I'm viewing a lot of the things I'm seeing lately.

When I think to myself, "Oh, WHY did they have to mention PAFOA?", that says something, because I'm always looking for ways to tell people about the forum.

There are some things that, when done without careful thought or planning, can do more harm than good.

Ignoring reality, and shouting about things that 99% of people don't understand, let alone agree with, isn't likely going to turn into a "win".

Forgive me if I'm off topic. I've just read a few of the recent posts here and the one above caught my eye, so I thought I'd respond.

I don't think you're off topic or out of bounds at all. I think solidarity in the membership's position on certain issues is paramount, especially when communicating with the media.

I think that possibly a lot of harm is being done by persons with very good intentions, and I only ask that they consider ALL the possibly interpretations of their actions - beyond those which they've usually righteously intended.

[fingers80002]

Originally Posted by Brown-Bear

Are you a PRIME TARGET? I would say no. But as a fellow military man I trust you understand what I mean when I say you are a "Secondary target of opportunity". The antis I believe will take what they can get, when they can get it. Any victory no matter how small will satiate their appetite.

Dave

So I am at the greatest risk, because I represnt everything the ABHORE!

Just asking.

I hunt, own an AK, and OC, and CC for personal protection.

That would make me a target.

ETA: I guess I am just another Bitter, gun clinging, un-pariotic,immigrant hating, racist, redneck!

[fingers80002]

DAMN I HATE LEFT-WING COMMIES!!!!!!!!!!!

[ScaredOnce]

Originally Posted by fingers80002

DAMN I HATE LEFT-WING COMMIES!!!!!!!!!!!

Likewise. To whom was that directed?

[fingers80002]

Originally Posted by ScaredOnce

Likewise. To whom was that directed?

Any LEFT-WING COMMIES I meet, who are reading this!