Pulled Over While Carrying... Advice from an LEO

[Robert Kayland]

Originally Posted by pacrimescode5904

Yankees??? Those are all them bums I see on the golf course right?

(sigh)

Shouldn't say much unless crap turns around soon my boys will be out there with them.

You'll always have 2004.

/Man, that still stings!
//still not over Mariano blowing Game 7 in 2001, either!

[DennisH82]

After reading the original post and all the subsequent ones, all I can say is I didn’t find the officers letter condescending or insulting. I found it informative and direct. Whenever anyone explains any concept on how to deal with any situation or process they can’t help but sound as though they are being condescending to the audience. That’s just the way it is. I am new to this forum and I read a lot into what folks put out there. I have to ask, why look for trouble when you don’t have to. If you get pulled over it has to be for some reason, so why make it worse? I am all for personal rights but along with those rights come certain responsibilities. I know there are LEO’s out there that have a large chip on their shoulders and are looking to throw their authority around and lord over John Q. Public, but there are also good LEO’s out there just doing their jobs. As has been said numerous times on this sight “Know your Rights”. But in the end if you look for trouble, you will find it and most likely you will lose.

[Pa. Patriot]

Originally Posted by DennisH82

After reading the original post and all the subsequent ones, all I can say is I didn’t find the officers letter condescending or insulting. I found it informative and direct. Whenever anyone explains any concept on how to deal with any situation or process they can’t help but sound as though they are being condescending to the audience. That’s just the way it is. I am new to this forum and I read a lot into what folks put out there. I have to ask, why look for trouble when you don’t have to. If you get pulled over it has to be for some reason, so why make it worse? I am all for personal rights but along with those rights come certain responsibilities. I know there are LEO’s out there that have a large chip on their shoulders and are looking to throw their authority around and lord over John Q. Public, but there are also good LEO’s out there just doing their jobs. As has been said numerous times on this sight “Know your Rights”. But in the end if you look for trouble, you will find it and most likely you will lose.

I'm confused by this reply and who it is directed at.

Who is looking for trouble? Your post doesn't say directly but seems to imply that those who do not disclose are "looking for trouble."
Is this correct?

As I stated in my earlier reply. The LEO defaults to what benefits him. I default to what benefits me. In my opinion, not disclosing protects me from the "bad cop", without causing an issue with the "good cop". and is therefore in my best "interest".

Trying to avoid unnecessary trouble is just the opposite of "looking for trouble". No?

[crlovel]

Originally Posted by Robert Kayland

Yeah, smiling would be a bit much... if I were a cop, I'd worry if I saw the person smiling.

Some folks smile. Some folks just show their teeth. Not much difference between the two.

[dman]

Originally Posted by Pa. Patriot

I'm confused by this reply and who it is directed at.

Who is looking for trouble? Your post doesn't say directly but seems to imply that those who do not disclose are "looking for trouble."
Is this correct?

As I stated in my earlier reply. The LEO defaults to what benefits him. I default to what benefits me. In my opinion, not disclosing protects me from the "bad cop", without causing an issue with the "good cop". and is therefore in my best "interest".

Trying to avoid unnecessary trouble is just the opposite of "looking for trouble". No?

This post is directed at only the negative karma.You can't expect anybody to welcome citizens,with guns,when the attitude is f#@k you,!this is my f#@king right,Some of us are scarring people out there,The masses,people in general,are at least impressionable.A simple smile -vs-a f#@k you, might soften things for you and anybody else involved.You are responsible to educate the masses.Your attitude is critical.You want people to accept us,make them comfortable with it,loose the tough guy bull crap then!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DennisH82]

Originally Posted by Pa. Patriot

I'm confused by this reply and who it is directed at.

Who is looking for trouble? Your post doesn't say directly but seems to imply that those who do not disclose are "looking for trouble."
Is this correct?

As I stated in my earlier reply. The LEO defaults to what benefits him. I default to what benefits me. In my opinion, not disclosing protects me from the "bad cop", without causing an issue with the "good cop". and is therefore in my best "interest".

Trying to avoid unnecessary trouble is just the opposite of "looking for trouble". No?

I apologize if I wasn't specific enough, lack of sleep does that. What I was saying or intending to point out is, if you are pulled over for whatever reason real or imagined by a LEO then all you have to do is know your rights. To bludgeon the LEO with an attitude seems self destructive at the very least. I am not saying or supporting that anyone suffer from a severe case of (Verbal Diarrhea) VD when stopped and I am also not saying you have to be Mr or Mrs sunshine either. I treat others how I want to be treated, if they decide to have a meltdown at me I sit there calmly and take mental notes. You have to find the middle ground unless you want to spend most of your time face down on the hood of your car or in court wasting your hard earned money dealing with the bureaucracy.

I for one know that I don't have to disclose in PA and that what I would do. I am a real big fan of not volunteering information and try to live by that, not always successful though.

[dman]

Dear Dennish82,I don't feel an apology is in order.It's not lack of sleep,it's frustration.We can't stress enough how important diplomacy is.Every gun toteing individual out there represents all of us.How we conduct ourselves is an issue and sould be to all of us.

[coldhands]

I used to be a person that would voluntarily tell the officer that I was carrying, but after reading some of the horror stories I have changed my mind. Pa Patriot put it best by saying "I'm protecting myself."
Everyone has run into that "angry" cop. I don't need to be victimized just because an LEO is having a bad day. It is my RIGHT to not tell, if asked I will let them know. Otherwise, they do not need to know.

[Pa. Patriot]

Originally Posted by dman

This post is directed at only the negative karma.You can't expect anybody to welcome citizens,with guns,when the attitude is f#@k you,!this is my f#@king right,Some of us are scarring people out there,The masses,people in general,are at least impressionable.A simple smile -vs-a f#@k you, might soften things for you and anybody else involved.You are responsible to educate the masses.Your attitude is critical.You want people to accept us,make them comfortable with it,loose the tough guy bull crap then!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow. This answer seems very angry. Are you speaking to me directly? Or to the masses? Who is "karma"?

I did not see any comments here along the lines of "fuck you, it's my right".
Nor did I see any "tough guy" attitude.

I just saw people explaining why they do and do not.

[Pa. Patriot]

Originally Posted by dman

Dear Dennish82,I don't feel an apology is in order.It's not lack of sleep,it's frustration.We can't stress enough how important diplomacy is.Every gun toteing individual out there represents all of us.How we conduct ourselves is an issue and sould be to all of us.

You are insinuating that not disclosing is akin to not representing gun owners well.

I have no idea what makes you feel that way.

I never disclose and am polite and "diplomatic" about it every single time.
No one here is suggesting being a prick to the LEO.