Philadelphia Zoo

[SharpShooter88]

Originally Posted by adymond

Problem would be that if it is a policy set by the Zoo (is it privately owned?) you would be breaking their policy and be asked to leave the Zoo. While I think we have a right, I also think private property owners have the right to set policy that should be followed.

Thank you!!!!!!!!!

Someone else here has a little common sense...

[dgg9]

Originally Posted by SharpShooter88

But it doesn't mean that you can just go blatantly disregarding rules set out by the PZ or anyone for that matter. And you all wonder why politicians think of gun owners as law breakers too. Do you know how easily this could turn terribly sour if the media got ahold of this?

"Breaking news this evening, local man carries a concealed weapon into the philadephia zoo with blatant disregard for the rules..." You wonder why we have such a tough time keeping our guns in our hands? You people drive me insane!!!!!!!!!!

What you say has potential for happening.

So does the headline: "area resident killed in robbery after leaving the PZ. PPD indicated the man had a valid CCW, but was not carrying that day. Funeral services to be held at ..."

One must weigh options and decide accordingly. If no metal detectors, the odds of being outed while CCW-ing are extremely low.

[dgg9]

Originally Posted by adymond

Problem would be that if it is a policy set by the Zoo (is it privately owned?) you would be breaking their policy and be asked to leave the Zoo.

And in the unlikely eventuality they discover my weapon, I will leave at once with no argument. But I committed no crime -- that's the point.

The root of your argument is that lawyer-driven carry ban policies are somehow sacred, while my right to life is not. Yes, of course I can decide not to go there, but the city is obstructed by many public places with these carry ban policies, thus creating an annoying patchwork of places I theoretically must avoid.

After a while, I just stop worrying about that. I decide where I go, and if I carry, based on my own criteria, not some lawyer's.

[reverserboy]

If the zoo is owned by the city,would the no guns rule be a violation of preemption??

[dgg9]

Originally Posted by adymond

I also think private property owners have the right to set policy that should be followed.

...up to a point. Depends how private they really are, and depends what the risks and inconveniences are to me. Not offending some CYA-motivated corporate lawyer's sensibilities fits somewhere in my priority queue, but not at the top.

[SharpShooter88]

Point well seen and I respect your opinion. But you have to look at the picture as a whole. I am not saying your personal safety is not my concern. I am an american soldier for crying out loud. If the world were perfect you could CC or OC anywhere you wanted. But it is not so. And if you start just deisregarding rules blatantly there is going to be a reprimand. And when that day comes, will you be ready to be fined, or worse??

[Penguini66]

Originally Posted by reverserboy

If the zoo is owned by the city,would the no guns rule be a violation of preemption??

Yes I believe it would. But a quick check on Wikipedia shows shows that the zoo was "Chartered by the Commonwealth of PA". That would lead me to believe that the zoo is a private entity.

[dgg9]

Originally Posted by SharpShooter88

If the world were perfect you could CC or OC anywhere you wanted. But it is not so.

That's right, and I am well aware of the legal limits. I stay within all legal limits. But when it comes to being disarmed OUTSIDE legal limits -- based solely on some lawyer-written placard with no legal weight -- I choose based on my own priorities.

For the record, the PZ is a private nonprofit organization, so CCW is 100% legal there.

And if you start just deisregarding rules blatantly there is going to be a reprimand. And when that day comes, will you be ready to be fined, or worse??

1. I am not doing anything "blatantly." I am always discreet.
2. If you make a habit of going about unarmed, then the real danger is not some reprimand, but a criminal attack. And when that day comes, will you be ready to be mugged, or worse??
3. To answer your question: I make my own decision and will always take the consequences.

[adymond]

Let me get this straight here.

1. Your rights are sacrosanct (sp?)
2. Your rights are more valid than some CYA-motivated corporate lawyer - because he or she is not a US citizen with the same rights as you
3. Rules made by a private entity are only to be followed by you regardless of the rights of a private property owner

As I said, if this is city or state owned I would argue the policy is wrong and violates the state and federal constitution, but that would not justify disregarding those policies whether it is blatant or discrete. Extrapolate that logic to the extreme and as long as you don't get caught you are doing nothing wrong.

I want my gun rights, but I do not feel that disregarding policies because I don't agree with them is the way to further that cause. Just my $0.02.

[SharpShooter88]

Originally Posted by dgg9

That's right, and I am well aware of the legal limits. I stay within all legal limits. But when it comes to being disarmed OUTSIDE legal limits -- based solely on some lawyer-written placard with no legal weight -- I choose based on my own priorities.

For the record, the PZ is a private nonprofit organization, so CCW is 100% legal there.



1. I am not doing anything "blatantly." I am always discreet.
2. If you make a habit of going about unarmed, then the real danger is not some reprimand, but a criminal attack. And when that day comes, will you be ready to be mugged, or worse??
3. To answer your question: I make my own decision and will always take the consequences.

Let me tell you...The day I get mugged there better be 2 or three of them and they better have guns or hand grenades. Otherwise they are in a world of trouble!!!!!!!!!!

And I am glad that you will take responsibility for your actions. But by disregarding rules whether discrete or blatant. You are no better than the people who are fighting to have our guns taken away. And if caught, you are only helping them by giving them fuel for their fire. If we all act as you do, we might as well hand in our guns now...