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[ThomasJ]

Originally Posted by adymond

The rights being equal are the same as I have said time and time again which you refuse to acknowledge. The right to bear arms and the right to private property.

On the contrary, if I had ignored it, then I wouldn't be discussing it. Without acknowledgment, there is no discussion. Yes, you have said these two are equal. You have also said or agreed that all rights are equal.

By ignoring an expressed condition for enterance to a property you are violating the property owners right to determine contidions of admitance. By doing so you are ignoring their right to private property. Would be no different than saying you have the right to bear arms, but we are outlawing the ammunition.

Ignoring a "condition for entrance" is not violating the property owner's right to determine those conditions. Again, the property owner can still make whatever conditions he desires regardless of whether one is carrying or not. And your analogies are weak.

[dgg9]

Originally Posted by adymond

The rights being equal are the same as I have said time and time again which you refuse to acknowledge. The right to bear arms and the right to private property.

Your repeated failure is the inability to grasp that a one-sentence declaration is not a "right." The real issues come down to specific instances of rights. There is a vast array or specific property rights and a vast array of RKBA rights. It is intellectual sloppiness to claim that every sub-instance of any specific, no matter how weak, irrational, or attentuated, is exactly equal to every other sub-instance of every other right. It's sloppy and unrowkable in the real world.

[headcase]

Originally Posted by adymond

Can notice be given before entry? As in a sign that states no weapons allowed on premisis (sp?).

As has been discussed to death, signs posting policy, in an open to the public type, private property setting, carry no weight in Pa. You must comply with a verbal notice or you can be charged with defiant trespass. What if you are blind? What if you can't read well enough to decipher a sign? What if the terms are just a generic jumble required to be posted by the insurance company, and not reflective of the owners intentions? If someone defies verbal notification, then you may have a case to press about moral turpitude, but until then, there is no moral conundrum, signs don't mean shit.

[1blindref]

there is no moral conundrum, signs don't mean shit.

BINGO!

I would not break the law when it comes to carrying, but I will not worry about a sign.

[ChamberedRound]

This is just re-god-damn-diculous.

Whether anyone likes it or not, the common practice and understanding of the law is as headcase (and a few others) mentioned:

Originally Posted by headcase

As has been discussed to death, signs posting policy, in an open to the public type, private property setting, carry no weight in Pa. You must comply with a verbal notice or you can be charged with defiant trespass.

That's it. No more, no less. If it were more complicated than that, scores of our forum members would be getting arrested and charged (especially those that open carry), and THAT'S JUST NOT HAPPENING.

While I'm all for a debate, this discussion has devolved into a circular argument where no one yields their position and the same points get repeated from each side over, and over, and over, and over. Names are called, insults are slung, and a general disrespectful attitude is taken towards all those who don't agree with a viewpoint. I'm all for a spirited debate when those that are debating can keep the discussion relatively on topic and act like adults. IMHO that isn't happening here. GROW UP PEOPLE.

What's more aggravating is that this is at least the 2nd thread in which this unyielding, uncompromising, disrespectful bickering has taken place on this topic. The other that I know of was the Hersheypark thread also in the CC/OC Forum. There's so many site violations in the last 10+ pages of drivel for which infractions can be assigned that I don't even know where to start, and have no interest in wasting the time doing so at this point.

Since you guys can't seem to accept each other's differences on the issue and move on without acting like children, I'll do it for you:

THREAD CLOSED.