Franklin Township Officer

[exceltoexcel]

Originally Posted by ThomasJ

Driving, just like voting, is a privilege and not a right.

WTF!!!!

It is not a privilege!!! It's a f#$%ing right in the constitution..

With this absolutely appalling statement by you I don't mine being totally rude and recommending to you that you...

Take a civics lesson please..

I'm sorry that's uncalled for, it isn't your fault you've been made into lamb chops..

Now it is your "privilege" to breathe air..




Amendment XXVI
(The proposed amendment was sent to the states Mar. 23, 1971, by the Ninety-second Congress. It was ratified July 1, 1971.)

Section 1

[Voting for 18-year-olds.]

The right of citizens of the United States, who are 18 years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of age.

[ThomasJ]

Originally Posted by knighthawk06699

Wait a second... I have bit my tongue on this one and actually managed to stay out of this little flame war, but now I have had enough. Since when did voting become a privilege?? It is a right guaranteed to all non felon US citizens over the age of 18, under the US constitution. Many have fallen and died for just that very right. That is just like saying owning and bearing arms is a privilege, no sir it is a right!!!!!!!!

No, it isn't. It's a common misconception. Nowhere in the Constitution is there a guaranteed right to vote. If it's such a precious right, why isn't it included in the Bill of Rights? No, our founding fathers feared democracy, which is why they created a constitutional representative republic. Those amedments regarding sex, race, and age disallow states from limiting suffrage based on those criteria, but they are still able to limit suffrage to groups of people for other reasons if they wish.

here's an article from a Columbia law professor: http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dorf/20001213.html

here's the ruling from the Supreme Court:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-949.ZPC.html

The very first sentence of Section II, Paragraph B. reads: "The individual citizen has no federal constitutional right to vote for electors for the President of the United States unless and until the state legislature chooses a statewide election as the means to implement its power to appoint members of the Electoral College. U.S. Const., Art.II, §1."

[ThomasJ]

Originally Posted by exceltoexcel

WTF!!!!

It is not a privilege!!! It's a f#$%ing right in the constitution..

With this absolutely appalling statement by you I don't mine being totally rude and recommending to you that you...

Take a civics lesson please..

I'm sorry that's uncalled for, it isn't your fault you've been made into lamb chops..

Now it is your "privilege" to breathe air..




Amendment XXVI
(The proposed amendment was sent to the states Mar. 23, 1971, by the Ninety-second Congress. It was ratified July 1, 1971.)

Section 1

[Voting for 18-year-olds.]

The right of citizens of the United States, who are 18 years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of age.

You are the one in need of a civics lesson. That amendment is not granting or guaranteeing a "right to vote"; it is stating that states cannot disallow people from voting based on age.

[ChamberedRound]

Gentlemen, this diversion from the OP's topic has gone on long enough. If you want to discuss the right to vote or lack thereof, start a thread in the "Law & Politics -> National" forum.

Please get this discussion back on-topic or the thread will be closed.

[exceltoexcel]

I'll give you some more voting rights in the constitution

Amendment 15 - Race No Bar to Vote. Ratified 2/3/1870. History

1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.



Amendment 19 - Women's Suffrage. Ratified 8/18/1920. History

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.


Amendment 24 - Poll Tax Barred. Ratified 1/23/1964. History

1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Amendment 26 - Voting Age Set to 18 Years. Ratified 7/1/1971. History

1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

[ThomasJ]

In deference to ChamberedRound's request, I'll end by urging you to do some research.

[BlownNitroPontiac]

Originally Posted by exceltoexcel

Take a civics lesson please..
.

I'd be glad to.

But first, how about I settle for a lesson, from you, on the statute spelling out driving as a "right?"

And the "right to vote" isn't what we were discussing.

[exceltoexcel]

Originally Posted by BlownNitroPontiac

I'd be glad to.

But first, how about I settle for a lesson, from you, on the statute spelling out driving as a "right?"

And the "right to vote" isn't what we were discussing.

That was in reply to to another post.

The statute to drive is set by each state and isn't even germane to the discussion either.

I'll open a new thread.

opened

http://www.pafoa.org/forum/national-...tml#post326892

[mjfletcher]

Originally Posted by BlownNitroPontiac

Ben Franklin didn't live in an era of Muslims who wanted to kill him and nuke his cities.

correct, Ben Franklin lived in an era of men and women who looked and talked just like him and thus could not be diferentiated from him except for the fact that they wanted to make him little more than a subservient serf to their king. In his day, the enemy looked just like his friends. He had greater reason to believe as you do, but he didnt.

[mjfletcher]

Originally Posted by BlownNitroPontiac

State the statute, please.

If you don't earn the privilege, you don't drive.

You earn the privilege by displaying competence to operate a motor vehicle.

By that notion, carrying (and owning) a firearm is a privelige earned by demonstrating a lack of criminal intent through passing a background check.