OCing on a Horse, Carrage or Bicycle

[PA-Joe]

Are you allowed to OC on a horse, in a carrage or on a bicycle without a LTCF? I know you can do it while walking but what about in or on a non-motoized vehicle?

[pex]

Chapter 35 - SPECIAL VEHICLES AND PEDESTRIANS
Subchapter A - Operation of Pedalcycles (Bicycles)

Section 3501. Applicability of traffic laws to pedalcycles.
(a) General rule. -- Every person riding a pedalcycle upon a roadway shall be granted all of the rights and shall be subject to all of the duties applicable to the driver of a vehicle by this title, except as to special provisions in this subchapter and except as to those provisions of this title which by their nature can have no application.

Something to start off with, even though it appears to be without affect to the title 18 statute.

Some mentions of 'vehicle' in the PA UFA but they are not constricted always by an adjective 'motor' and are without definition in 6102.

[Pa. Patriot]

What Pex is trying to say is "Most likely not"

[awkx]

Originally Posted by PA-Joe

Are you allowed to OC on a horse, in a carrage or on a bicycle without a LTCF? I know you can do it while walking but what about in or on a non0motoized vehicle?

Carriage: If your firearm is inside the carriage, then it's inside a vehicle and you need a LTCF.
Bicycle / Horse: A good argument can be made your firearm is not "in a vehicle" when you're riding a horse or a bike. But... sometimes you only get as much justice as you can pay for. So, my advice: apply for the LTCF.

[pex]

Don't let us get you down, though. If you are interested or think you haven't received well-informed or satisfactory answers, make this your personal project.

Research the relevant statute and case law. Don't forget to report all that you found!

[headcase]

Originally Posted by pex

Don't let us get you down, though. If you are interested or think you haven't received well-informed or satisfactory answers, make this your personal project.

Research the relevant statute and case law. Don't forget to report all that you found!

Holy crap! I actually was able to put my thesaurus down and understood every word in that post without it! Look at ol' pexxy, shakin' things up

[theSaj]

I would add that bicycles are supposed to operate as vehicles, obeying the traffic laws, etc.

I confess I know little of horses. But I imagine that a horse without a carriage may not fall under the term vehicle.

(Otherwise, don't give your wife a piggy-back while she's open carrying.)

;-)

[ehidle]

Thread Revival....

I ride a road bike... a lot... 10,000 miles per year, or thereabout. When I'm out, I'm in full uniform (team), and obviously it is not possible to conceal a firearm without some kind of backpack, which I do use in the winter, but not in the summer.

I do have an LTCF, so the point is kind of moot for me anyway, but I thought this was an interesting legal exercise.

The PA Vehicle Code considers any bike that is on the road to be a "vehicle" for the purpose of enforcing the rules of the road. But, I could not find anything that would define a bicycle as a vehicle for the purpose of firearm law.

So, has anyone gotten any definitive word on this?

[PeaceAndLove]

I've thought about carrying on the bike, but then again if it's actually seen, why wouldn't they knock you off the bike to snatch your gun?

Also, it's hard to argue that you couldn't get away from a life-threatening situation when you have a bicycle.

As far as carriages, are there any Amish on this board? I'm curious what they do.

[ehidle]

Originally Posted by PeaceAndLove

I've thought about carrying on the bike, but then again if it's actually seen, why wouldn't they knock you off the bike to snatch your gun?

Also, it's hard to argue that you couldn't get away from a life-threatening situation when you have a bicycle.

As far as carriages, are there any Amish on this board? I'm curious what they do.

Someone positioning themselves to knock you off of your bike is already putting you in a life-threatening situation, or at the very least an imminent danger of great bodily harm. Furthermore, you have momentum that cannot be easily changed, and often there is nowhere for you to go.

If I'm flying down the 10-foot wide bike path at 25MPH, and a BG gets in front of me, that is life threatening, and I cannot really escape without putting my life in danger (going into the woods or off the pavé at high speed)