If you really want to OC, take a hike

[sgser]

I’ve read that the requirement for a LTCF is not unconstitutional because we retain the right to Open Carry. However, our “masters” have placed a number of restrictions and limitations on that OC right. What I understand them to have said is that we may OC only on foot. So, it seems that the OC get-togethers, for most of us who have to drive to a location, require that we have a LTCF, otherwise, hoof it.

I personally believe that OC is a good thing. I believe that it raises public awareness and might also help to desensitize the public to guns by having citizens openly carrying and behaving in a sensible non-threatening manner. And that rather than being a threat to public order, OC might serve to help enhance that order and with it the safety that society craves. In other words, I see OC as a positive thing.

But, do we really have the right to OC? Sure, we can strap on a gun and walk down a public street. Without a LTCF, however, woe unto him who is caught transporting a firearm to a place where one shops or where the OC group is meeting for a meal.

In other words, I see OC as being tightly controlled. Without a LCTF one cannot exercise the OC right unless where we shop is within walking distance.

This also brings a couple of questions to mind. I am curious about OC on a bicycle. How about a motorcycle? And then how about those motorized scooters that some disabled are using (I have seen these on the road in the bicycle lanes in Honesdale)?

It strikes me that OC on a bike is in plain view for anyone to see. What, after all, is open carry? Or are we looking at still another limitation and restriction on that supposedly protected constitutional “right?” A right that is declared to be unalienable and indefeasible?

So, have we been conned? Did our masters say, sure, let them open carry, but if they ask how, tell them to “take a hike.”

What do you think?

[Pa. Patriot]

Sounds like you've got it figured out pretty well.
For legal purposes, a "vehicle" would probably include motorcycles, scooters and bicycles, according the the prior discussions on that topic here.

[XD40coyote]

As it stands now, unless I have an ltcf holder escorting my firearm for me, I would have to ask my friend who's land borders the mason dixon line permission to come over and target shoot, then after firing 1 round at a target to complete the range requirement LOL ( or maybe she has too many annoying domestic male ducks again and she wants to shoot the one that is the worst rapist- yes she did this once and hit the head dead on!), I could strap the gun on OC and walk over the mason dixon line onto the public dead end street in PA adjoining her private property where she gave me permission to OC from. Then I would have to walk 2+ miles with alot of hills to the nearest place to eat or shop, and in New Freedon there isn't much ( Rutters store and Paesano's Pizza, plus a restaurant and a cafe by the rr trail, and an ice cream place). Then I would have to walk back to her place afterwards. Would be a great workout if my back can hold out, and if I get no crap from LEO's. I once wrenched my back walking up a steep hill road LOL, so that's one of my worries.

Yes it is a shame that a state that is so liberal about guns ( PA) requires an ltcf to transport a firearm for a purpose other than target shooting at a range, a range competitive event, or going to and from a gun store or gunsmith, or for hunting/trapping uses. This is the same insane transport law as in MD, and I would think PA would be better than this.

[XD40coyote]

Hmm yeah, since bikes are bought up, are horses considered a vehicle too? Been wondering about horseback OC.

[tl_3237]

and don't forget to keep 1000' from a k-12 school and its grounds without a LTCF

[violinjim]

Can you go closer that 1000' from a school with a LTCF? This is not true in NYS. Basically if you're passing by in an auto, I guess you're ok, but if you're on the property, you'd better be unarmed. OF course someone looking to do harm won't really care what the law says...

JIm

[headcase]

Gun free school act does not apply if you have a LTCF

[fingers80002]

Originally Posted by violinjim

Can you go closer that 1000' from a school with a LTCF? This is not true in NYS. Basically if you're passing by in an auto, I guess you're ok, but if you're on the property, you'd better be unarmed. OF course someone looking to do harm won't really care what the law says...

JIm

Really........ Someone intent on killing people will ignore a gun law????????

[gunperson003]

Originally Posted by Pa. Patriot

Sounds like you've got it figured out pretty well.
For legal purposes, a "vehicle" would probably include motorcycles, scooters and bicycles, according the the prior discussions on that topic here.

*grin* Just out of curiosity... humor me here. Animals on their own are not vehicles, are there any places in PA which you could ride a horse?

I'd find it humorous to ride a horse to an OC meet.

[XD40coyote]

There would have to be a hitching post if you plan to stop to eat. Watch out for horse thieves! LOL

My question was more of a horses on public trails sort of thing, such as the rail trails or on game lands.