Why OC when you can CC?

[Sig_Dude]

Carrying in the airport? That just can't be a good idea.

[Pa. Patriot]

Originally Posted by Sig_Dude

Thanks for the welcome, seriously.

You have to understand that to me, the idea of OC'ing is similar to the idea of going out in public naked.

By the way what happens when a cop sees you?

Funny you say "going out in public naked". That is exactly the feeling I felt when I started OC'ing in the more populated areas/metros. When you step out that door or vehicle your sure that everyone is staring in horror at your <ahem> GUN hanging out But surprisingly, people seem to be uninterested. Heck, MOST people do not notice.

LEO's may or may not question you. This will depend on many variables. I have never been spoken to about my OC by an LEO despite having been seen and even conversing numerous times with LEO while OC.

If you check the last few post in my ongoing OC journal thread:
http://www.pafoa.org/forum/concealed...kes-barre.html

You'll see I conversed with LEO last weekend and was seen today by an LEO.

Some folks have been hasstled, most of us have not. The extent of LEO encounters usually results in the LEO giving you their opinion about OC since they can not legally prevent you from doing it in most situations. This provided you are lawfully OC (need LTCF for vehicle and Phila, etc)

[lprgcFrank]

why not - as long as I'm not in the sterile area - it's just another part of the state... I CC there too - just depends on what I'm doing that week

I fly in/out of the Philly airport every week. Better to have it with me than leave it in the car.....

[Sig_Dude]

Another thing...not to separate "you guys" from me, but I am going to ASSume that you guys know your local LEO a lot better than I do. Have met them, know their names, whatever. I don't know a single trooper. If they run into me with a gun on my hip, they're not going to be like oh hey Sig, what's up man, how's your girlfriend...they're going to be like OK why does this guy have a gun and if his hand gets near it I'm going to draw down on him...

[headcase]

Originally Posted by Sig_Dude

People can post pictures of dead horses, talk about how many times this and that has been talked about and beaten to death already

I'll say this again because you seem to be unwilling to understand the first few times I posted it, There are many threads on this subject and if you want an answer go read them. Or are you just looking for a fight?

tell anecdotes about how they carried onto public school property which by the way is (stupidly and unfortunatly) completely illegal

If I read that the way you wrote it, you say that it is stupid and unfortunate that it is illegal. If I read it how you probably meant it, you are saying that I am stupid and my actions are unfortunate. In both cases you are wrong. You may want to read and try to understand the law that applies before you start stating your opinions as facts, because when you do, you come off as being stupid and unfortunate.

, but it does not change the fact that there is no reason to carry openly.

Again, you are stating your opinion as a fact. There are many reasons to open carry a firearm, all of which I am sure you are against, but WTF do I care what you like or don't?

Sure, if you're in back country and want to strap on a .50 S&W for bear defense that's one thing.

So we have your permission for that? What if I want to carry a .44 magnum revolver? Do I lose your love?

But to stroll into a PTA meeting or onto a soccer field openly strapped...why? What does that achomplish?

It accomplishes (notice the spelling) allowing me to be armed, in the manner I choose, in a completely legal manner. It also shows that a responsible member of society having a firearm worn openly on his hip, does not cause the weapon to jump up and start massacring people, among other things.

Originally Posted by Sig_Dude

One more thing..this forum is a Pennsylvania forum...is it the Pennsylvania that's on Planet Earth, in the Milky Way? I ask because in the parts of PA I know the most, if I strapped a gun on and say went to the Wawa, I'd be almost certainly picked up by the police.

What parts of Pa. do you know the most? The local prison? The federal courthouse? Those are places you will definitely be picked up by the police for carrying, concealed or open. You can see where most of us are from by looking at our posts, up on the top right. I am from a place that has more urban people from other states visiting on a daily basis than maybe even Philly.

I have never once seen anybody openly carry.

I have never seen air, but I know it is there. I have never seen solar radiation, but I know it is there. I OC almost everywhere I go in this commonwealth, and have never run into anyone else OC'ing, except for the lunch I attended.

I guess most of you guys are from the more rural parts of PA.

You really wouldn't make such asinine statements if you just took the time to look at the things you are actually opining on. Most of the OC'ers here are from suburban and urban locations, or at least when they OC they do so in urban or suburban locations.
If you insist on carrying on with this attitude I am going to start asking about your bridge.......

[SgtMathyis]

I would have to say yes I know 95% of all the LEO's in my area because i am their dispatcher

[Pa. Patriot]

Originally Posted by Sig_Dude

Another thing...not to separate "you guys" from me, but I am going to ASSume that you guys know your local LEO a lot better than I do. Have met them, know their names, whatever. I don't know a single trooper. If they run into me with a gun on my hip, they're not going to be like oh hey Sig, what's up man, how's your girlfriend...they're going to be like OK why does this guy have a gun and if his hand gets near it I'm going to draw down on him...

I know several LEO due to business and other things.

All of the LEO in my OC encounters, with the exception of one, I had never met before.

If an LEO "draws down" on a person for mere OC they will have a serious legal issue ahead of them.

[lprgcFrank]

Actually no on the local LEO's - other than 1 guy that goes to my church and 1 detective I've had dealings with - I don't know any of the other 50 officers in the township.

I've had 12-15 different LEO's in Radnor see me OC - they usually notice the firearm and look at me to catch my eye ... I smile, nod and keep going about my business. I take the same approach with the Philly LEO's and the VA and OH LEO's I encounter when I OC there. Haven't had any issues.

[Sig_Dude]

I didn't realize you are a moderator.

I meant that the fact that there is a law making all schools "gun free zones" is asinine. I did not mean that you are asinine.

Originally Posted by headcase

I'll say this again because you seem to be unwilling to understand the first few times I posted it, There are many threads on this subject and if you want an answer go read them. Or are you just looking for a fight? If I read that the way you wrote it, you say that it is stupid and unfortunate that it is illegal. If I read it how you probably meant it, you are saying that I am stupid and my actions are unfortunate. In both cases you are wrong. You may want to read and try to understand the law that applies before you start stating your opinions as facts, because when you do, you come off as being stupid and unfortunate. Again, you are stating your opinion as a fact. There are many reasons to open carry a firearm, all of which I am sure you are against, but WTF do I care what you like or don't? So we have your permission for that? What if I want to carry a .44 magnum revolver? Do I lose your love? It accomplishes (notice the spelling) allowing me to be armed, in the manner I choose, in a completely legal manner. It also shows that a responsible member of society having a firearm worn openly on his hip, does not cause the weapon to jump up and start massacring people, among other things.

What parts of Pa. do you know the most? The local prison? The federal courthouse? Those are places you will definitely be picked up by the police for carrying, concealed or open. You can see where most of us are from by looking at our posts, up on the top right. I am from a place that has more urban people from other states visiting on a daily basis than maybe even Philly. I have never seen air, but I know it is there. I have never seen solar radiation, but I know it is there. I OC almost everywhere I go in this commonwealth, and have never run into anyone else OC'ing, except for the lunch I attended. You really wouldn't make such asinine statements if you just took the time to look at the things you are actually opining on. Most of the OC'ers here are from suburban and urban locations, or at least when they OC they do so in urban or suburban locations.
If you insist on carrying on with this attitude I am going to start asking about your bridge.......

[Sig_Dude]

Originally Posted by Pa. Patriot

I know several LEO due to business and other things.

All of the LEO in my OC encounters, with the exception of one, I had never met before.

If an LEO "draws down" on a person for mere OC they will have a serious legal issue ahead of them.

There's a supposed LEO on another forum who was talking about how when someone he pulls over says they have a CCW permit, he pulls his gun out. Does not necesarily draw on the driver, but unholsters his gun. I thought that was messed up.