I learned new law today regarding Firearms Carry....

[Gary in Pennsylvania]

OK - So I already sorta figured it wasn't permitted to carry here....But I when I went to pick my 4yr. old son from preschool, I passed time leafing through the "public information bulletin board". There was a pamphlet hanging there titled PA Title 55Ppublic Welfare specifically addressing Child Day Care Centers http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/05...ap3270toc.html

It looked to be the reg that governed the facility.

I saw that there was a code regarding Firearms:

§ 3270.79. Firearms.
Weapons, firearms and ammunition are prohibited in a child day care center.



Cross References

This section cited in 55 Pa. Code § 3270.13 (relating to waivers); and 55 Pa. Code § 3270.241 (relating to requirements specific to school-age programs).

Here's my beef.......

First of all - I didn't know I was shelling out BIG bucks for daycare. It was my wife's and mine understanding that this place was licensed as an education facility for children. Who knows....maybe that's just fancy speak for ‘daycare’? They also do 'after school' daycare stuff, Latchkey, etc... My sons go there to learn stuff with a curriculum - great program.

The FIREARMS issue is this......the preschool is in the downstairs of a church. There's a nice, typical, 'church hall' style large kitchen, a very large open room for meetings, kid parades, whatever, and then the large classroom/playroom.

At what point do I leave the church and enter the school????

When I pick him up, I enter the church (Carry legal), go downstairs and wait in a foyer area until the kiddies are brought out to us. I wonder if I'm legal just standing there waiting? It sounds like no-no if I were to enter the designated student activity areas.......but what's the line between church and school?

If you have an answer - give it a shot. I'm not DYING to know.....I'm just sharing what I was wondering while leafing through the pamphlet.

[DCChris]

It may only be specific to public (government) run entiities. Not sure if it is a private school/daycare if state laws would applly.

[Swarner793]

You mean I can carry in a public school (my opinion regarding lawful purposes) and I may not carry in a daycare? What if I am recovering one of my bail skips or a bodyguard assignment takes me to one? That law does not appear to have any "lawful purposes" clause associated with it. Is that what you get from it. But you are right, I had no idea that existed.

Be safe.

Scott

[DCChris]

I meant that state laws would apply to anyone falling under a school district and their policies. Those types of daycare don't usually house within a church...the whole church/state thing.

[rwilson452]

55 § 3270.79


I'm not finding this statute. but my abilities are not absolute. I have found some stuff relating to it but not the law itself. I wonder if it's still in effect or if it was cut out when they brought in the UFA.

Help, need a lawyer with a better understanding in surfing westlaw or some such

[mikepro8]

What Title, its not in PA 18... someone above posted PA 55???

[mikepro8]

What Title, its not in PA 18... someone above posted PA 55??? That makes no sense...

[MTechnik]

So, if I am carrying when I go to pick my son up from daycare, I need to leave it in the car or risk being a felon?

[KeithPA]

It's a rule, not a law.

Just like the Title XX law about carrying on property in front of the capitol building. Look at the tagged thread on it, there is some explaining done in there.

Notice there's no description of a penalty.


There is one place off limits (courthouse) and one place nobody seems to know about (primary and secondary schools). Other than state/federal parks having their own rules, that's it.

[HiredGoon]

Looks like it's Title 55, chapter 3270.79
http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/055/055toc.html