CC/OC with round chambered

[PeteG]

Originally Posted by Aran

Oh sure, I get to be "that guy"

I don't carry with one in the chamber. No particular reason, other than I'm still not used to carrying.

The issue is not so much the time it takes to chamber a round as it is whether the weapon is "one handed" or "two handed."

The first axiom is that it will occur at a time and place where you do not expect it. It may well be that you have one hand tied up. For example, you are carrying an infant when the neighbor's "would never hurt a fly" Rottweiler decides neither you nor the baby is a fly.

If you have a single action auto with a round in the chamber and hammer back, you can draw, disengage the safety and fire with one hand in a single, fluid motion. This is what I mean by "one handed."

If, however, one is carrying on an empty chamber, it will take two hands to make the gun function. One can put the baby down with the Rottweiler, or default to of the fandango techniques for racking the slide on one's belt, shoe, between the knees or some other time-consuming thing that would be difficult while being attacked by a dog and holding a baby.

Both SA and DA revolvers offer the advantage of "one handed" operation, although the SA's are slower. I'm sure you can see that whether you carry a cartridge "under the hammer" will not affect the "one handed" operation of the revolver. It will, however, deprive you of a round; and reloads are one of the revolvers' weak points.

The SA/DA autos are subject to a case-by-case analysis. Some of them are "one handed" and some will require two hands, depending upon how they are being carried.

If you are carrying a modern, properly functioning firearm in a proper holster, it will not go off unless you make it go off. You can be assured of that. Given that hand guns are carried to meet sudden and unexpected emergencies, it is most prudent to carry with a round in the chamber.

[Gary in Pennsylvania]

Originally Posted by TonyF

Not even close. With a single action auto it is an extremely ergonomic and fluid motion to disengage the safety.

OTOH, carrying a DA/SA auto with the decocker "disengaged" so that you have to "un" decock the pistol is an entirely different matter and the topic for another thread.

Tony - I totally don't understand the point you're trying to make here. What 'matter' is associated with decocker SA/DA pistols?

Thank you...

[dnar]

Semi-autos - Yes

Revolvers - Yes

Water guns - Yes (filled with bleach) J.K.

[dieselkarl]

Always chambered, always secured - safe or on person. You're too late otherwise. My ex-pediatrician hated hearing that. She's ex for that reason.

Karl

[CQB]

I keep 3 in the chamber!

[TonyF]

Originally Posted by Gary in Pennsylvania

Tony - I totally don't understand the point you're trying to make here. What 'matter' is associated with decocker SA/DA pistols?

Thank you...

I dunno if there has been a term coined for the "condition" or not but for example, some LE agencies that issue DA/SA autos mandate that after a round has been chambered and the pistol is de-cocked, the decocker must remain in the "de-cocked" position so that in the event of a gun grab, the grabber may hopefully not know how to "unsafe" the pistol and shoot the officer.

With a DA/SA auto carried in this manner, it is very difficult to push a slide mounted decocker into "fire" mode during the presentation.

[tes151]

Originally Posted by lal

How many persons who carry a semi-auto have a round chambered while carrying ?
all the time, some times, never - being relatively new I haven't seen this specific subject.

You mean there are actually people out there running around loose with no supervision that carry without a round in the chamber? Sort of defeats the reason for carrying wouldn't you think?

[doug]

chambered.. P7M8

[Gary in Pennsylvania]

Originally Posted by TonyF

I dunno if there has been a term coined for the "condition" or not but for example, some LE agencies that issue DA/SA autos mandate that after a round has been chambered and the pistol is de-cocked, the decocker must remain in the "de-cocked" position so that in the event of a gun grab, the grabber may hopefully not know how to "unsafe" the pistol and shoot the officer.

With a DA/SA auto carried in this manner, it is very difficult to push a slide mounted decocker into "fire" mode during the presentation.

Ahhhh. That's where I got confused. The only decockers I've ever owned are CZ's. I LOVE them.

When chambering a round, the hammer is fully rear and pistol is ready to fire SA. Using the decocker on a CZ safely drops the hammer 3/4 of the way down (though it's not uncommon for folks to call it half-cocked). The pistol is still completely safe with firing pin block still in place. Pistol is ready to fire from this condition, but the effort isn't nearly SA nor is the pull/travel as long as true DA.
Simply draw and fire. No action must be taken with a decocked CZ - just pull the trigger.

Now.....as for how OTHER manufacturers decocker mechanisms work...I have no idea.

[CQB]

A decocker on a Sig works pretty much the same. Chamber a round, push decocker down and hammer is released. Holster weapon. When you shoot it, just pull the trigger and bang. Bakc to SA until you decock.