Anti-OC Rant, FYI..Probably offensive to hardcore OC people

[KpaxFAQ]

It really seems to me that PAFAO's OC/CC discussion thread is being more like an open carry thread. I already think that OC is a complete disadvantage to begin with. It is nice if you're too big of a person to carry IWB and also so you don't have to worry about the one awkward time when the butt of your gun MIGHT come exposed when you bend over weird or something, or the trip straight to the range, but OC'ing to walmart...gimme a freakin break. Just cause its legal doesn't mean you should do it or that it's intelligent to do. I attended the OC dinner in Erie where one of my friends who graduated from HS with me (Steveforopen). He is a huge advocate of OC and I came to support him and see what this OC nonsense is really about. I personally think 97% of situations that people say they open carry on here are retarded and I'm not one bit surprised that the average Joe who doesn't eat, sleep, and breath firearms like us is shocked, offended, or scared by you.

To people that say, "But no one notices my sidearm KPAXFAQ LOL!!!" I answer simply...Yes they do. If someone notices the hat I'm wearing, or the t-shirt I'm wearing, or the small stain on my jeans, you better believe that they are going to notice the big ass, uncovered, black, "evil looking killing machine" G19 on my hip. Get real. The only people you notice, who notice your sidearm are the real shocked ones. Lets face it we all notice stuff about people everyday, but we only do a double take and give away the fact that we notice by our expression if its something thats amazing (Like a tall blonde chick with a short skirt who's falling out of her shirt on campus in the summer), something thats funny (Walking by the faculty parking lot and seeing every other car with a George Bush is the devil!!! bumper sticker.), Something thats perplexing (like a midget riding a unicycle down the sidewalk, or walking by the faculty parking lot and seeing A CAR with a GW 04' bumper sticker!), or something that is terrible (like if you witnessed/drove by a bad car wreck).

I've really tried to walk myself through a single reason other than comfort that I would blatantly OC and I only one I can think of is if I had a Michael Moore like political agenda and wanted to "make a point" or "stick it to the man because I can attitude". Just like I am creating this thread because I am sick of reading all the OC jargon on here and decided to get on the soapbox cause I can. This thread isn't meant to change anyone's minds, just throwing my entire opinion about OC out there for the first and only time.

I love the OC people who get PO'ed when they are accosted by LEO's who ask to see ID. They must be completely blind to the current news events and the world we now live in. My biggest goal in life right now is to become a LEO. I graduate in May and have been putting in applications all over the country. If I see a person I'm not familiar with carrying a firearm on their hip you better believe I'm going to show concern and investigate further when I am a LEO. That doesn't mean you're harassing the person by questioning them about the firearm but for someone to refuse ID just because they can is flat out dumb. I just got done with an internship at a local LE agency and its clearly apparent from witnessing daily situations that things are a lot easier for the LEO and citizen if reasonable cooperation is shown on both sides. Obviously there are situations where a LEO is a douche about it, but there are people that suck at their job in every field. I don't need to hold the door open for you on the way out, but I do because it's common courtesy...

Greg I'm ecstatic that you got your LTCF back because you did nothing wrong by the law. I was cheering for you the whole way. You guys are hardcore to put your LTCF/Reputation/Bank Account on the line for something in my opinion thats not a big deal. Maybe I'm a 23 year old college kid with a narrow, immature, outspoken, or short sighted view on this topic, but personally I'm going to continue to CC, go vote, go home, keep my LTCF without a fight, and be just as safe (arguably safer) as the next OC'er.

I know I'm going to catch a shit storm for this post, but it's the first time I've chimed in/Ranted about this before because I finally got fed up with the OC people and needed to give the CC people some love!

Stay Safe,
KpaxFAQ

[Aran]

tl;dr Oh well!

Edit: Okay, I read it. Please don't become a LEO, for our sake?

Double-Edit: Aren't there enough of these threads already? Can't you post in one of the 362131451356 threads?

[Pa. Patriot]

Originally Posted by KpaxFAQ

Just cause its legal doesn't mean you should do it or that it's intelligent to do
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I personally think 97% of situations that people say they open carry on here are retarded
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Michael Moore like political agenda and wanted to "make a point" or "stick it to the man because I can attitude"
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They must be completely blind to the current news events and the world we now live in
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I love the OC people who get PO'ed when they are accosted by LEO's
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but for someone to refuse ID just because they can is flat out dumb
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I finally got fed up with the OC people
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Maybe I'm a 23 year old college kid with a narrow, immature, outspoken, or short sighted view on this topic,

Fair enough...

I am sick of reading all the OC jargon on here

You do know you don't have to click on the threads with "OC" in the title?


Seriously, nothing personal. Your entitled to your opinion

OC/CC is a personal choice. You've got your opinion, some of us have differing one. But don't be so quick to write off OC'ers as dumb. We've considered the options, facts and experiences and made different decisions. That's all.
We can all get along carrying in our preferred mode.

[NineseveN]

Why do you people have to troll the entire PAFOA.org forums like this? Are there not enough threads like this and discussions that are exactly the same that you could have participated in?

[KpaxFAQ]

Man you didn't respond as fast as I predicted PA Patriot. I had you pegged for under 2 minutes. Maybe I'm cutting you short. Maybe you did see it within the first 2 minutes and then got to quoting little bits and pieces of the rant out of context for the next 15 minutes!

[Aran]

What do you mean "out of context"? There wasn't any context beyond "OC IS BAD YOU ARE BAD STUPID PEOPLE" and he kept it there nicely.

[steveforopen]

Open carry advantages

#1. Deterrent to crime
#2. Comfort
#3. Raising awareness that gun owners are not evil.
#4. More legal than concealed carry (remember, your "privilege" to conceal carry is founded on your right to bear arms a priori)

KPax, no one is trying to force OC down your throat. Would you "investigate more" if a person had a shirt with a disagreeable slogan written on it that might conjure the idea that they could be a criminal?

With open carry awareness on the rise, wouldn't you rather see a right long forgotten about be utilized and appreciated rather than argue against those who choose it as a daily method of carry?

I could discuss situation after situation of the typical scenarios people use to discredit open carry, almost all of them are ad absurdum. Yes, in a small number of situations open carry is either inappropriate or tactically unwise. That is why most who open carry use the motto (believed to be coined by RussP) "When and Where Appropriate.

KPax, it seems your concerns lie in two areas: first, people who open carry are "MichaelMooreish" because they are concerned and interested in preserving our right to carry a firearm; secondly, you generalize all OCers as those who refuse to fork over their ID -- I agree this is unwise and doing what officers ask and filing a complaint later is the better tactic. However, not all that choose to OC are like this; you seem to read into alot of the monday-morning OC/FreeState idea-mulatto, however it is not representative of all of us.

Finally, I leave you with this: Who are you more in fear of, KPax? The man concealing a pistol or the one who has no shame in his/her right to bear arms and carries exposed OWB? (Not to say those who CC are shameful in any right, I believe in anyones preferred carry preference)

Steve

PS. Molon Labe

[Pa. Patriot]

Originally Posted by KpaxFAQ

Man you didn't respond as fast as I predicted PA Patriot. I had you pegged for under 2 minutes. Maybe I'm cutting you short. Maybe you did see it within the first 2 minutes and then got to quoting little bits and pieces of the rant out of context for the next 15 minutes!

Awe, come on. They're not out of context. They're just raw text snippets that show a confrontational tone/pattern. Other than that I have no problem with your differing opinion.

Not referring to you now, I just find the OC detracting odd. I don't see the usefulness of it. If I didn't like CC I would not do it and not read the threads.

Consider the tension here lately... Does it come from people sniping at CC'ers character in CC threads or people sniping at OC'ers character in OC threads
Just something to consider.

ETA
PS: Your post didn't "offend" me like the title suggests
My skins thicker than that after as long as I've been around here

[KpaxFAQ]

WOW Steveforopen, Great post. Definitely gettin' some rep points for that one. I do not agree with some points but I agree that I stereotype to some point. I still think that OC'ing is asking for unnecessary attention. I know all you OC'ers think the element of surprise is overrated and I think you're all nuts!

I don't know what got into me tonight but I needed to let some steam about the issue off after seeing all the posts here lately. PA Patriot I would skip over the OC threads but then I wouldn't have anything to read on here! (sarcasm)

[Pa. Patriot]

Originally Posted by KpaxFAQ

WOW Steveforopen, Great post. Definitely gettin' some rep points for that one. I do not agree with some points but I agree that I stereotype to some point. I still think that OC'ing is asking for unnecessary attention. I know all you OC'ers think the element of surprise is overrated and I think you're all nuts!

Your not a very good troll

Your not allowed to agree to disagree. Work on it

With that - good night. Try not to harass to many OC'ers while I'm gone, K?