OC in Philly/ and ATF hasseling me

[pred]

I live just inside the city limits, and if you guys remember the police shooting at the Duncan Donuts,,,, That was about 1 mile from my house, About 2 days later I arrived home from work to find 6, Yes 6 ATF agents waiting for me, They asked to see all my guns, I asked if this was an AFT convention outside my house, and then asked if they had a warrent, NO they didnt, So I asked them why they were here, Responce was the cop got shot with a 9mm, and I owned one,, I bought it about 1 year ago,,, I showed the crowd of ATF The one they asked to see, It was still in box,,,,
For me to carry in the open would be insane in this area, I would get to know all the police and mabey the inside of their cars,,
What is it like out there in the country??
PB

[ar15jules]

I PERSONALLY, would have had no problem with showing them my firearms in that situation. But, since you felt they were hasseling you, why didn't you tell them to get the f^%$ off of your property? Did you mention to them that they were violating your civil rights? Did you tell them that you felt threatened by their presence? You seem to have had the balls to ask if it was an ATF convention? Did you tell them to get a search warrant to see your personal property? Maybe call the Philadelphia field office and file a formal complaint. Did you happen to ask any of the Agents their names? You surely got at least one of the six names right? Ranting on here will do you no good. Sorry but that pisses me off. If you didn't like it, you should have not complied.

Jules

[General Geoff]

I'd have told them to take a hike, and come back with a warrant if they wanted to see my gun(s).

[imperialism2024]

Could have asked them if they used the illegal PSP firearms registry...



Once I get my PA LTCF and a good amount of bail money, it'll be fun to try OC in Philadelphia.

[imperialism2024]

Originally Posted by dragonofpa

I would think OC in Philly would be a major hassle. Even if you had your PA LTCF, a police officer is in his right to stop you anytime and ask you for your PA LTCF. Uhg. I am in Philly everyday and I always CC.

Hence the fun of it!

I guess one could just use a hunting license holder, and keep one's LTCF plastered on one's back. No need for an LEO to stop me to check.

[XD45]

why would the atf have had anything to do with that investigation?

[sjl127]

Originally Posted by General Geoff

I'd have told them to take a hike, and come back with a warrant if they wanted to see my gun(s).

While this is what I would have done, they could have come back with a warrant, seized all of your guns, and have fun shelling out the cash for an attorney to get them back.

Could this happen?

[ar15jules]

Could be in charge of a FEDERALLY FUNDED gun violence task force....but that is just a guess.
Jules

[sgt7546]

Originally Posted by pred

I live just inside the city limits, and if you guys remember the police shooting at the Duncan Donuts,,,, That was about 1 mile from my house, About 2 days later I arrived home from work to find 6, Yes 6 ATF agents waiting for me, They asked to see all my guns, I asked if this was an AFT convention outside my house, and then asked if they had a warrant, NO they didn't, So I asked them why they were here, Response was the cop got shot with a 9mm, and I owned one,, I bought it about 1 year ago,,, I showed the crowd of ATF The one they asked to see, It was still in box,,,,
PB

Pred,

I commend you on your cooperation with the ATF on this. I'm sure they didn't just pick your name out of a hat, instead they were assisting in a murder investigation. Most likely you were one of many people the ATF visited in the 48 hours after the murder. The reason for the visit: You own a 9mm, the murder weapon was a 9mm, did they suspect you...No, did they want to confirm that your 9mm was still in your posession...Yes.

Now some may argue that this murder was treated differently because it was a Police Officer, and they'd be right, murdering a Police Officer will definitely elicit a greater response from within the Law Enforcement Community. Of course the same happened in this organization, when one of our members had his permit revoked, we as a group rallied around him, both financially and with well wishes, in an attempt to help him get his permit back, which in any group is the normal thing to do.

Just curious, in reference to time, how long did this encounter last? And once you showed them the 9mm they were asking about did they leave and never come back?

[XD45]

plus if they could get a warrant, they wouldn't be standing outside when he got home, they'd have smashed in the door.