OC in Philly/ and ATF hasseling me

[Ret-Fed]

Originally Posted by pred

. . . Hasseling me, Well It's their job to have 6 guys with Glocks? on their waists gathering in my driveway and asking to come inside,, . . .

Pred,

What if someone told you ATF Agents don't carry Glocks ! ! !

This really didn't happen, did it ?

[ar15jules]

Originally Posted by Ret-Fed

Pred,

What if someone told you ATF Agents don't carry Glocks ! ! !

This really didn't happen, did it ?

hehehehehehehe
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[sgt7546]

Originally Posted by dragonofpa

The crime is trespassing (if he asked him to leave as was the scenario I presented) and the sheriff (or any LEO) can hold someone in lockup until a hearing (usually 24 hours, possibly more if it's the weekend).

The ATF would have to prove jurisdiction (which is done from the bottom up, not the top down and usually requires a hearing as well if it's not clear cut, which in this case it isn't)

Dragonofpa,

Since you are entertaining the idea of running for the Sheriff in your county, I'm sure your familiar with the PA crimes code and PA rules of criminal procedures.

Would you please site for all of us the rule of criminal procedure that would allow you to "hold someone in lockup" for this period of time.

I'm not doubting your word, I just never heard of that, so I'd like to read it for myself.

Thanks in advance.

PS: Not going to even ask how an Federal Agent would not have jurisdiction to investigate a crime on US soil.

[ar15jules]

I think he might be ref. an "Emergency Commitment". That can actually be done IF a magistrate is not available. If I recall correctly....without looking in a hand full of counties.
Jules

[Ret-Fed]

Originally Posted by dragonofpa

. . . The ATF would have to prove jurisdiction (which is done from the bottom up, not the top down and usually requires a hearing as well if it's not clear cut, which in this case it isn't) . . .

Dragon,

I'm new to this forum.

After the above quote that you posted about ATF jurisdiction, I'll not be reading any more of your posts.

You're not only off base, you're out of the ball park with that statement !

[Wynder]

The warrant never would've been issued -- they must state, under oath or affirmation, that they reasonably believe that the weapon that actually committed the crime was in your house. You can refuse to let them see it, but if they really thought it was the actual murder weapon, they would've already had their warrant.

They probably would've moved on as no judge would sign that warrant... if they did, and it came to be that your weapon wasn't used, you'd have supreme grounds for a lawsuit.

[pred]

Originally Posted by Ret-Fed

Pred,

What if someone told you ATF Agents don't carry Glocks ! ! !

This really didn't happen, did it ?

Forgive my gun knowledge,,, Besides the beretta, I own lots of colt 45s and smith revolvers, Whatever they had on their sides looked like some type of high top sneaker to me,,, And that makes me think of glocks,
I dont own Plastic guns, and when I walk into a gun shop looking, it is for 1911s and old revolvers,,
They all had big plastic guns in plastic holsters,
When they were loitering in the drive while waiting for me to come back out, My sister whom live above me came home, They had to move out of the drive to allow her to pass,,, I dont care what my neighbors think, But as soon as they left, My sis did call and asked what was going on?
To answer the other Q about if the gun was dirty, Would they have arrested me,, I think not, I think that were just making sure that I still had the firearm, Making surre I didnt sell it on the street,
This was a good year for me and finding some great deals, So they had a good list on me I am sure.
Besides not liking plastic guns, My home has no pressboard plastic furnature eather!
And if you live in this area yourself, You know the helicopters were up every night, all night till they found him in florida!
Peter.

[Philadelphia]

As a side question, does anyone think there is even the slightest chance that what the OP posted actually happened?

A cop shooting so a squad of a half dozen BATFE agents go warrentless door to door asking to see guns purportedly of similar caliber to one involved in the shooting. In a criminal investigation no less (makes the warrentless part so unlikely as to be impossible). Of course all federal agents know that a straw buyer would invite federal agents into their homes without warrants when the news is filled with 24/7 reports about a citywide manhunt so that's why they would routinely go door to door asking to see guns. Then, when the straw buyer slips up and admits he/she can't produce the gun 'cause it must have just been "stolen," BATFE can help take the stolen gun report while the killer remains on the loose. Yeah, federal agents would waste their time with that. The whole premise is downright stupid to begin with.

Would someone just please delete the whole thread?

[imperialism2024]

Originally Posted by Philadelphia

As a side question, does anyone think there is even the slightest chance that what the OP posted actually happened?

A cop shooting so a squad of a half dozen BATFE agents go warrentless door to door asking to see guns purportedly of similar caliber to one involved in the shooting. In a criminal investigation no less (makes the warrentless part so unlikely as to be impossible). Of course all federal agents know that a straw buyer would invite federal agents into their homes without warrants when the news is filled with 24/7 reports about a citywide manhunt so that's why they would routinely go door to door asking to see guns. Then, when the straw buyer slips up and admits he/she can't produce the gun 'cause it must have just been "stolen," BATFE can help take the stolen gun report while the killer remains on the loose. Yeah, federal agents would waste their time with that. The whole premise is downright stupid to begin with.

Would someone just please delete the whole thread?

I recall from stories at the time that cops (I believe in Philadelphia) were generally throwing away the Fourth Amendment and searching everyone and everything they could physically search in the surrounding area. So there's some credibility to the story... but that's about it.

[Philadelphia]

Originally Posted by imperialism2024

I recall from stories at the time that cops (I believe in Philadelphia) were generally throwing away the Fourth Amendment and searching everyone and everything they could physically search in the surrounding area. So there's some credibility to the story... but that's about it.

Cops were detaining people with tattoos similar to those believed to be on the shooter. Good police work.

BATFE agents knocking completely at random on gun owners' doors asking to see guns is a fish tale. This guy should be writing suspense fiction novels.