OC in Philly/ and ATF hasseling me

[PA Rifleman]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

Its the other way around, the ATF has the database, the records of sale and every thign. from the date of the firearm being created to the date is it last sold or removed from circulation.
The PSP is supposed to only have a records of sales if the gun is sold in PA only and for some 21 days only.

BATF maintains a list of dealer-related information. When a PA dealer sells a firearm to a non-FFL licensee, the dealer runs the background info through the PA-based NICS system.

SIDEBAR: When a federally-licensed gun shop shuts down, they are required to turn in their records to BATF. I have heard credible reports that BATF has been entering gun sales information, particularly the end purchaser information, from out-of-business FFL records into a computerized database. However, that would only pertain to sales made from businesses no longer in operation.

[Pa. Patriot]

Originally Posted by sgt7546

I believe they were.

I've just never heard of this procedure....
I can't see it as being productive.

[sgt7546]

Originally Posted by Pa. Patriot

I've just never heard of this procedure....
I can't see it as being productive.

I have heard of this procedure, as for the productivity, (IMO) thats far from your or my call.

[ar15jules]

The ATF can trace for firearms purchased if a 4473 was filled out.
Jules

[paulie6978]

very interesting but if that was me i would tell them to show me a warrant and if they didnt have one to come back when they did... they definetly violated your rights. although you had no reason not to show your gun to them, they didnt have any right waiting outside of your house for you without a warrant

[sgt7546]

Originally Posted by paulie6978

very interesting but if that was me i would tell them to show me a warrant and if they didn't have one to come back when they did... they definitely violated your rights. although you had no reason not to show your gun to them, they didn't have any right waiting outside of your house for you without a warrant

I'm confused, what right was violated, the ATF asked and he agreed?

[paulie6978]

Originally Posted by sgt7546

I'm confused, what right was violated, the ATF asked and he agreed?

yes he agreed but your fourth amendment rights ( unreasonable search and seizure) was violated in this case

[sgt7546]

Originally Posted by paulie6978

yes he agreed but your fourth amendment rights ( unreasonable search and seizure) was violated in this case

how so, they asked, he said yes

[ar15jules]

He should call the ACLU......
Jules

[paulie6978]

Originally Posted by sgt7546

how so, they asked, he said yes

just by them being outside demanding to see his guns. that in it self was unreasonable. im just trying to make a point and thats it no reason to be politically correct is what i mean