just got off the phone with delco sheriffs office

[tbonean21]

Originally Posted by Aran

My county Sheriff's requirements, and then having to go get new references because he didn't like that one had an out of county home address (Despite living in-county, she gave me her across-the-state address and I figured I'd give it a shot)

oooo. hey i work for a school district an i really dont want the sheriff to call them should i put down that i am unemployed on the application

[Aran]

Originally Posted by tbonean21

oooo. hey i work for a school district an i really dont want the sheriff to call them should i put down that i am unemployed on the application

No. That's lying.

[tbonean21]

Originally Posted by Aran

No. That's lying.

read some of this this is why i asked


http://www.pafoa.org/forum/concealed...n-process.html (CCW application process?)

[LittleRedToyota]

Originally Posted by tbonean21

oooo. hey i work for a school district an i really dont want the sheriff to call them should i put down that i am unemployed on the application

one possibility would be to just leave that question blank and see what they say...

or get someone to pay you $5 to wash their car or something and then claim to be self-employed (that's just a joke...i somehow don't think that would be a good idea.)

[Aran]

Originally Posted by LittleRedToyota

one possibility would be to just leave that question blank and see what they say...

or get someone to pay you $5 to wash their car or something and then claim to be self-employed (that's just a joke...i somehow don't think that would be a good idea.)

I could hire him temporarily, but that would be a pain in my ass. :P

[Statkowski]

1. can any PA resident bring a suit against the sheriff?

Theoretically, yes.

2. do you have to be a resident of the county in question?

No, but it helps. Of course, the first thing the court would ask would be, "How did the county sheriff's actions or lack thereof negatively affect you in another county?"

3. do you have to have had the sheriff take longer than 45 days to issue you your LTCF?

If he takes 45 days or less then he hasn’t violated any law.

4. do you have to meet number 2 and then been charged for carrying without an LTCF after the 45 days, but before you actually got your LTCF?

If you're charged with carrying concealed without an LTCF, it doesn't matter why the LTCF hasn't been issued yet. Without the LTCF, you weren't permitted to carry concealed.

18 Pa. C.S. §5301 reads in part, "A person acting or purporting to act in an official capacity ... commits a misdemeanor of the second degree if, knowing that his conduct is illegal, he ... denies or impedes another in the exercise or enjoyment of any right, privilege, power or immunity."

18 Pa. C.S. §6109(e)(1) reads in part, "A license to carry a firearm shall be for the purpose of carrying a firearm concealed on or about one's person or in a vehicle and shall be issued if, after an investigation not to exceed 45 days, it appears that the applicant is an individual concerning whom no good cause exists to deny the license."

18 Pa. C.S. §6109(g) reads as follows, "Upon the receipt of an application for a license to carry a firearm, the sheriff shall, within 45 days, issue or refuse to issue a license on the basis of the in­vestigation under subsection (d) and the accuracy of the information contained in the applica­tion. If the sheriff refuses to issue a license, the sheriff shall notify the applicant in writing of the refusal and the specific reasons. The notice shall be sent by certified mail to the applicant at the address set forth in the application."

18 Pa. C.S. §6111(i) reads in part, "All information provided by ... applicant, including, but not limited to, the ... applicant's name or identity, furnished by ... any ap­plicant for a license to carry a firearm as provided by section 6109 shall be confidential and not subject to public disclosure. In addition to any other sanction or penalty imposed by this chapter, any ... local governmental agency or department that vi­olates this subsection shall be liable in civil damages in the amount of $1,000 per occurrence or three times the actual damages incurred as a result of the violation, whichever is greater, as well as reasonable attorney fees.”

In Pennsylvania the citizen may file a Private Criminal Complaint, even against an elected official. Goto http://www.courts.state.pa.us/Index/Forms/IndexForms.asp for the downloadable form. Of course, if the county’s District Attorney refuses to follow through he is required to provide a reason why.

No, I’m not an attorney, nor do I profess to be one. The preceding public information is provided for informational purposes only. Do with it as you will.

[PeteG]

Originally Posted by LittleRedToyota

i'd give you some rep points, but it's telling me i have to spread some around before giving ya any more.

This is off topic, but now that you mention it, what are "rep points"? I see the little green bars, but never thought about what they are for.

[LittleRedToyota]

Originally Posted by PeteG

This is off topic, but now that you mention it, what are "rep points"? I see the little green bars, but never thought about what they are for.

we can give each other "rep points" using the little "scale" icon in the upper right corner of each post.

the little green boxes indicate how much "rep" you have been given...and i think you maybe get some for having a certain number of posts or something...i'm not sure exactly how it works. to be honest, i don't use it or pay attention to it as much as some others do. i think there is a thread somewhere that describes it all in detail, though. but, basically, the more green boxes someone has, the more "rep" they have.

the "rep power" thing indicates how many rep points someone will get if you give them rep points. i think mine is at 5 or something like that, so, if i give you rep, you will get 5 rep points. if someone with a rep power of 7 gives you rep, you will get 7 rep points, etc.

anyway, if you go to user "User CP" you will see something like the last 5 or so "rep points" you got.

for example, i gave you some for some other post a week or so ago...if you go to your user control panel, you'll see a link to the post i gave you rep for, you'll see that it was me who gave you the rep, and you will see a short comment i typed to you about the post.

the system makes you spread out rep points among different users, though. so, i tried to give you some more rep points for a post in this thread, but i couldn't because i have not given enough rep points to other people.

that happens to me a lot because i often don't think about giving out rep points, so i end up not being able to give them to the same person twice in a month.

in reality, it doesn't mean much, imho...but it can be fun...and sometimes it's a nice way to say "right on!" or "thanks!" or whatever without having to waste any actual forum posts to do it.

(also, i think you can give negative rep points..to sort of say "hey man, you are an idiot" ...though i have never done that.)

[wboggs]

Originally Posted by soberbyker

In the end, he said, it's the voters who have the final say, since the Sheriff is an elected position.

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I've got to come back to this again because this is exactly why we are losing the Country we once had and it's driving me nuts. If the laws on the books are only the laws if an elected official likes them, then why have laws and/or which ones can we count on protecting us?

We used to be a Country that had a Constitution and Bill or Rights; we have become a Country of politicians blowing sunshine up our asses to get into office then implementing their personal agendas even if it violates this Countries laws that we depend on to be protected.

IF what the Attorney General said IS true, then if we didn't vote for the "Sheriff" then do we have to accept his personal agendas that violate current laws? I mean what if the Sheriff got elected primarily for reason "X" then does "Y" in a totally different area of law? Under those circumstances how can it be possible (what the AG said)?

If the current perversion of government is to continue (lets guess ) then shouldn't citizens who challenge these perversions and win be awarded damages since said "elected official" violated standing rights/laws?

Is anyone else as outraged as I am that our Government is freaken trashed and we have no hope for the future? We ultimately have no say anymore unless we have pockets with no bottom.