just got off the phone with delco sheriffs office

[LittleRedToyota]

Originally Posted by soberbyker

George has heard a lot about the Delaware County Sheriff's mis-interpretations of the law though. Unfortunately, the AG has no jurisdiction in the matter.

i gotta wonder about that one.

if the sheriff does not issue within 45 days, he is breaking the law. i would be surprised if the AG doesn't have jurisdiction over PA residents breaking the law. if the AG does not, who does? the county DA maybe?

under our system, there is no one, including sheriffs, who can break the law with impunity.

even mr. zeizer said "there is no law against it" in reference to calling the employer, which sort of implies that whether or not the sheriff is breaking the law does matter to the AG.

however, there actually is a law against the sheriff taking more than 45 days to issue an LTCF...why does it suddenly not matter to the AG that there is a law against that?

(taking more than 45 days to issue is breaking, not merely mis-interpreting, the law.)

[CCinPA]

Originally Posted by LittleRedToyota

i gotta wonder about that one.

if the sheriff does not issue within 45 days, he is breaking the law. i would be surprised if the AG doesn't have jurisdiction over PA residents breaking the law. if the AG does not, who does? the county DA maybe?

under our system, there is no one, including sheriffs, who can break the law with impunity.

even mr. zeizer said "there is no law against it" in reference to calling the employer, which sort of implies that whether or not the sheriff is breaking the law does matter to the AG.

however, there actually is a law against the sheriff taking more than 45 days to issue an LTCF...why does it suddenly not matter to the AG that there is a law against that?

(taking more than 45 days to issue is breaking, not merely mis-interpreting, the law.)

My guess is it would be the county DA who would be the one to go after the Sheriff but you know as well as I that in most counties they protect their own.

[soberbyker]

Maybe someone else could call the AG and ask, I did specifically ask who the sheriff answers to and who's in charge of the complaint dept, he said it wasn't the AG and there's nothing he can do. Maybe I didn't ask correctly. Anyone else want to try?

Bill

[wboggs]

Originally Posted by soberbyker

In the end, he said, it's the voters who have the final say, since the Sheriff is an elected position.

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WHAT KIND OF CRAP IS THAT!!!! Geezzzz wouldn't it be nice if any elected official did what he or she said that got them elected for starters but aren't these people supposed to enforce laws and protect our rights? Where did the "who have the final say" shit come from? The final say was many years ago and not the opinion of some politician for "this term" only to have that pollution remain after they leave.

Don't I live in a dream World? What happened to the America they taught me about when I went to school?

[normanvin]

Originally Posted by wboggs

WHAT KIND OF CRAP IS THAT!!!! Geezzzz wouldn't it be nice if any elected official did what he or she said that got them elected for starters but aren't these people supposed to enforce laws and protect our rights? Where did the "who have the final say" shit come from? The final say was many years ago and not the opinion of some politician for "this term" only to have that pollution remain after they leave.

Don't I live in a dream World? What happened to the America they taught me about when I went to school?

i think these guys are in agreement with you but who insures or has over site over the sheriff? he must be answerable to some one. Does he need to be taken to court for any and all miss decisions that he makes?

[God's Country]

No wonder why they act like they're God. They're only accountable to public, most of which could give a shit.

[God's Country]

So lets see are any Delco. residents worried about reprisal should the sheriff be pushed on the subject?

[soberbyker]

Originally Posted by God's Country

So lets see are any Delco. residents worried about reprisal should the sheriff be pushed on the subject?

I did what I could, can't "afford" to go any farther, at this time, I still have 4 years left on my license, maybe by then we'll have a friendly Sheriff.

Bill

[PeteG]

Originally Posted by God's Country

No wonder why they act like they're God. They're only accountable to public, most of which could give a shit.

You are getting close to having your finger on the problem.

One has to understand that an official not complying with a time limit in a statute is not "breaking the law" in any criminal sense. It is not complying with the law, but that is not always a prosecutable offense. Sometimes there are civil consequences (like an application being "deemed" to be approved, or "deemed" to be denied so an appeal can be taken). But it is not something the Attorney General can or will move in and "prosecute."

There are thousands of posts, in this thread and 100 like it, where people as over and over "who is responsible?", "why won't the AG do anything?", "can the DA prosecute?", "let's call so-and-so," "who has jurisdiction," etc. etc. etc.

Here is the fact: YOU have jurisdiction.

Refusal to accord individuals rights and privileges guaranteed to them by law or the constitution is a civil rights violation. Due to decades of hard work (by "liberals," opposed at every turn by "conservatives") there is a body of law that says YOU can go into court and hold the public officials accountable for holding your permit longer than the statute allows, or going out of thier way to embarass you to your employer, or just telling you to "buzz off."

It takes time and money. (If you win you are supposed to get your costs and legal fees back; but that does not always happen.)

It would, of course, be nice if someone would do it for you. That is not happening.

Your move.

[God's Country]

Originally Posted by soberbyker

I did what I could, can't "afford" to go any farther, at this time, I still have 4 years left on my license, maybe by then we'll have a friendly Sheriff.

Bill

That's what I'm wondering. You are generally concerned that this poor excuse for a public servant may screw you around come renewal time? I'm not being flip. I’m just wondering what the feel is among permit holders.