just got off the phone with delco sheriffs office

[Pa. Patriot]

Originally Posted by ReefBlue

My last name is not Trump, Imus or Stern, so I can't get an NYC carry permit.

lol.

Been there done that.... But I did have a permit (connections ya know )

[GunLawyer001]

Originally Posted by PweShay

I did not know that And I personally am sorry for putting the wrong facts up. I was not aware it was different in Pa or anyother state.

You were trying to help, that's fine. I was aware of PA law and corrected it.

Not to go off on a rant here, but public education is horribly deficient at telling citizens what the rules are. There is a presumption that we all are aware of all the laws that apply to us, and you are not even allowed to mention to the jury that you were unaware of the law that you violated. There could be a statute requiring you to get written permission before cutting down a tree on your property, and the first you'd hear of it is when you're cited for violating it.

In fact, carrying a firearm openly in your vehicle violates the "carrying a concealed weapon" statute, which is hardly an obvious facet of the law. In 12 years of public education, was that ever mentioned to you? Did any of your teachers ever explain when you can use deadly force, and when you can't? Did one of them ever spend 30 minutes of class time discussing private property rights, or the type of knife you can legally carry, or what duty you have towards your pets?

The law is ignored for 12 years of mandatory public education that we all pay for, but you are deemed to know the laws somehow. The closest schools come to legal education is Driver's Ed, and we still can't agree on how to use a traffic circle or who gets to go first if you're going straight after a stop sign but the guy across from you is turning left, but he was there first.

I have to say that I never see throngs of citizens reviewing Purdon's annotated PA statutes at the law library, and PA law wasn't even on the Web until this year, so my assumption is that most people don't know the rules of the game that they have to play.

I see my role here at PAFOA as correcting misunderstandings about the law as I run across them, because the government certainly isn't expending the resources to guide us.

[Yellowfin]

It sure seems a lot of places don't want you to be aware of CCW, that's for sure.

[shermdo]

Originally Posted by Yellowfin

I'm applying for a non-res permit in PA on Monday, since my AL permit doesn't reciprocate and I frequent the state and I would like the expanded reciprocity elsewhere as well as the 5 year duration. I am visiting with family in Delaware county, Upper Darby specifically. Since I'm out of state would it be to my advantage to apply in Montgomery County instead? I would like the speediest processing possible and from what I gather here from previous posts DelCo isn't at all the way to go. Does out of state get better or worse treatment? Shouldn't having a CCW elsewhere be more of a reassurance for them? Which county within reasonable drive would be best?

Welcome to the forum. I live here in Delaware County - Upper Darby Township to be specific. I would strongly suggest that you go to either Montgomery or Chester County. Either would be worlds better than the hassles here in Delaware County. Heck, this bozo Sheriff might have just decided that he doesn't believe in non-res LTCF and will wait 50 or 60 days to send you such a notice.

The FL permit might also be a good option for you but PA is less expensive and should be simple if the county Sheriff isn't an anti.

Enjoy your visit and good luck with the PA non-res LTCF.

[soberbyker]

Originally Posted by shermdo

Welcome to the forum. I live here in Delaware County - Upper Darby Township to be specific. I would strongly suggest that you go to either Montgomery or Chester County. Either would be worlds better than the hassles here in Delaware County. Heck, this bozo Sheriff might have just decided that he doesn't believe in non-res LTCF and will wait 50 or 60 days to send you such a notice.

The FL permit might also be a good option for you but PA is less expensive and should be simple if the county Sheriff isn't an anti.

Enjoy your visit and good luck with the PA non-res LTCF.

According to the info on this forum page:

http://www.pafoa.org/counties/

Delaware, Chester & Montgomery Counties do not issue a non-resident PA LTCF.

As mentioned before in this thread, the best bet is a mail-in order from Centre County for a non-res PA LTCF, however that is ONLY if you hold a valid permit from your home state it would seem.

[alzeller]

Got Centre County N/R permit a few years back. Sent my 'NJ Yellow Rifle Card' and copy of my NJ DL. Had in about 2 weeks total TAT.

Now PA resident and Bucks County took 20 mins total.

Its like $26 I think now.

[dgg9]

Originally Posted by Yellowfin

I'm applying for a non-res permit in PA on Monday, since my AL permit doesn't reciprocate and I frequent the state and I would like the expanded reciprocity elsewhere as well as the 5 year duration. I am visiting with family in Delaware county, Upper Darby specifically. Since I'm out of state would it be to my advantage to apply in Montgomery County instead? I would like the speediest processing possible and from what I gather here from previous posts DelCo isn't at all the way to go.

From my experience, Bucks County is the way to go in this region when coming in from out of state. My friend from NH got his non-res PA CCW twice now, same day, right there on the spot, from the Bucks County courthouse.

That said, FLA CCW is better. Then you get PA and DE as well, plus a whole lot more.

[Statkowski]

It has been reported that the Delaware County Sheriff, when processing an LTCF application, contacts employers and lets them know why they're being contacted.

Found the following buried in the UFA's Section 6111:

(i) Confidentiality.--All information provided by the
potential purchaser, transferee or applicant, including, but not
limited to, the potential purchaser, transferee or applicant's
name or identity, furnished by a potential purchaser or
transferee under this section or any applicant for a license to
carry a firearm as provided by section 6109 shall be
confidential and not subject to public disclosure. In addition
to any other sanction or penalty imposed by this chapter, any
person, licensed dealer, State or local governmental agency or
department that violates this subsection shall be liable in
civil damages in the amount of $1,000 per occurrence or three
times the actual damages incurred as a result of the violation,
whichever is greater, as well as reasonable attorney fees.

[rwilson452]

I'm not a lawyer but it seems to me that it might be hard to nail the sheriff for this as I doubt the sheriff is the one making the actual call. The poor deputy that did is fer sure on the hook as is the department. Can you say class action suit?

Originally Posted by Statkowski

It has been reported that the Delaware County Sheriff, when processing an LTCF application, contacts employers and lets them know why they're being contacted.

Found the following buried in the UFA's Section 6111:

(i) Confidentiality.--All information provided by the
potential purchaser, transferee or applicant, including, but not
limited to, the potential purchaser, transferee or applicant's
name or identity, furnished by a potential purchaser or
transferee under this section or any applicant for a license to
carry a firearm as provided by section 6109 shall be
confidential and not subject to public disclosure. In addition
to any other sanction or penalty imposed by this chapter, any
person, licensed dealer, State or local governmental agency or
department that violates this subsection shall be liable in
civil damages in the amount of $1,000 per occurrence or three
times the actual damages incurred as a result of the violation,
whichever is greater, as well as reasonable attorney fees.

[shermdo]

Originally Posted by rwilson452

I'm not a lawyer but it seems to me that it might be hard to nail the sheriff for this as I doubt the sheriff is the one making the actual call. The poor deputy that did is fer sure on the hook as is the department. Can you say class action suit?

That is OK by me. If there was a judgment against the Delaware County Sheriff's office for hundreds of thousands of dollars the Sheriff would not get re-elected and THAT is a worth while goal.