Pennsylvania Firearm Owners Association

Go Back   Pennsylvania Firearm Owners Association Discussion Forum > Discussion > Concealed & Open Carry

Concealed & Open Carry Discuss all aspects of carrying firearms here.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #121 (permalink)  
Old December 22nd, 2007
Montanya's Avatar
Grand Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location:
Oakdale, Pennsylvania
(Allegheny County)
Age: 34
Posts: 1,613
Rep Power: 122
Montanya has a reputation beyond reputeMontanya has a reputation beyond reputeMontanya has a reputation beyond reputeMontanya has a reputation beyond reputeMontanya has a reputation beyond reputeMontanya has a reputation beyond reputeMontanya has a reputation beyond reputeMontanya has a reputation beyond reputeMontanya has a reputation beyond reputeMontanya has a reputation beyond reputeMontanya has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via MSN to Montanya Send a message via Skype™ to Montanya
Default Re: just got off the phone with delco sheriffs office

My thing is, who is the oversight for these sheriffs? Everyone reports to someone, there has to be someone further up the food chain that this can be escalated to?
Reply With Quote

Thanks for visiting our forum! If you ever plan to return you should consider quickly registering for a forum account, especially if you're in Pennsylvania. It's simple to do and best of all free. Once registered you'll be able to participate in our discussions and keep up to date on issues important to Pennsylvania firearm owners!

  #122 (permalink)  
Old December 22nd, 2007
rwilson452's Avatar
Platinum Supporters
PAFOA Platinum Supporter
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location:
Elkland, Pennsylvania
(Tioga County)
Age: 65
Posts: 1,435
Rep Power: 33
rwilson452 has a reputation beyond reputerwilson452 has a reputation beyond reputerwilson452 has a reputation beyond reputerwilson452 has a reputation beyond reputerwilson452 has a reputation beyond reputerwilson452 has a reputation beyond reputerwilson452 has a reputation beyond reputerwilson452 has a reputation beyond reputerwilson452 has a reputation beyond reputerwilson452 has a reputation beyond reputerwilson452 has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via Skype™ to rwilson452
Default Re: just got off the phone with delco sheriffs office

The sheriff is an elected official. Thus, the oversight is the people.






Quote:
Originally Posted by Montanya View Post
My thing is, who is the oversight for these sheriffs? Everyone reports to someone, there has to be someone further up the food chain that this can be escalated to?
Reply With Quote
  #123 (permalink)  
Old December 22nd, 2007
Statkowski's Avatar
Grand Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location:
Cherry Tree, Pennsylvania
(Indiana County)
Age: 62
Posts: 1,832
Rep Power: 142
Statkowski has a reputation beyond reputeStatkowski has a reputation beyond reputeStatkowski has a reputation beyond reputeStatkowski has a reputation beyond reputeStatkowski has a reputation beyond reputeStatkowski has a reputation beyond reputeStatkowski has a reputation beyond reputeStatkowski has a reputation beyond reputeStatkowski has a reputation beyond reputeStatkowski has a reputation beyond reputeStatkowski has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: just got off the phone with delco sheriffs office

The Sheriff is elected by the People.

If you want to ruffle feathers, you could write to the County Commissioners, or you could file a Personal Criminal Complaint against the Sheriff for violation of the Uniform Firearms Act. Don't know if the county's District Attorney would take action on it, though. A civil action through the Court of Common Pleas is another alternative, but an attorney might be needed.
__________________
The twenty-first century is when everything changes. And you gotta be ready.
Reply With Quote
  #124 (permalink)  
Old December 22nd, 2007
tes151's Avatar
Super Member
PAFOA Silver Supporter
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location:
Leader Heights, Pennsylvania
(York County)
Age: 48
Posts: 702
Rep Power: 62
tes151 has a reputation beyond reputetes151 has a reputation beyond reputetes151 has a reputation beyond reputetes151 has a reputation beyond reputetes151 has a reputation beyond reputetes151 has a reputation beyond reputetes151 has a reputation beyond reputetes151 has a reputation beyond reputetes151 has a reputation beyond reputetes151 has a reputation beyond reputetes151 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: just got off the phone with delco sheriffs office

This guy is really getting to be more trouble that he's worth. When is this tard up for reelection? Thats the only way you will get rid of him. The AG isn't going to give a sh*t about all the jerking around with permits and such.
__________________
" The Seeds of Oppression Will One Day Bear The Fruit of Rebellion."

3 Percenter
Reply With Quote
  #125 (permalink)  
Old December 22nd, 2007
ReefBlue's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location:
Phila outskirts, Pennsylvania
(Delaware County)
Age: 38
Posts: 453
Rep Power: 23
ReefBlue has a reputation beyond reputeReefBlue has a reputation beyond reputeReefBlue has a reputation beyond reputeReefBlue has a reputation beyond reputeReefBlue has a reputation beyond reputeReefBlue has a reputation beyond reputeReefBlue has a reputation beyond reputeReefBlue has a reputation beyond reputeReefBlue has a reputation beyond reputeReefBlue has a reputation beyond reputeReefBlue has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: just got off the phone with delco sheriffs office

Hopefully he'll not get elected at the end of this term. I renew in 2009.

I don't know how many people are actually on here from Delco, but it could be worth showing up in a group at one of his reelection things where questions can be asked.
Reply With Quote
  #126 (permalink)  
Old December 23rd, 2007
shermdo's Avatar
Super Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location:
Drexel Hill / Upper Darby, Pennsylvania
(Delaware County)
Posts: 567
Rep Power: 17
shermdo has much to be proud ofshermdo has much to be proud ofshermdo has much to be proud ofshermdo has much to be proud ofshermdo has much to be proud ofshermdo has much to be proud ofshermdo has much to be proud ofshermdo has much to be proud ofshermdo has much to be proud ofshermdo has much to be proud of
Default Re: just got off the phone with delco sheriffs office

I am all for that. It sounds like a great idea. In addition maybe we should find a candidate to really challenge the guy for his elected office.
Reply With Quote
  #127 (permalink)  
Old December 23rd, 2007
Statkowski's Avatar
Grand Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location:
Cherry Tree, Pennsylvania
(Indiana County)
Age: 62
Posts: 1,832
Rep Power: 142
Statkowski has a reputation beyond reputeStatkowski has a reputation beyond reputeStatkowski has a reputation beyond reputeStatkowski has a reputation beyond reputeStatkowski has a reputation beyond reputeStatkowski has a reputation beyond reputeStatkowski has a reputation beyond reputeStatkowski has a reputation beyond reputeStatkowski has a reputation beyond reputeStatkowski has a reputation beyond reputeStatkowski has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: just got off the phone with delco sheriffs office

Pennsylvania's Right to Know Law (the Commonwealth's version of the Freedom of Information Act) requires a non-Commonwealth agency (the Sheriff's Department) to respond to a request for public information within five business days (yes, it does say business days).

Delaware County issues approximately 2,700 LTCFs per year.

Recommend a Delaware County resident submit a RTKL request to the Delaware County Sheriff's Office asking for the last 100 LTCF applications submitted, what were the LTCF submission dates and what were the LTCF issuance dates. (I recommend the number 100 since that's not an unreasonable amount. Instead of a fixed number you might ask for a specific month, but don't ask for an entire year's worth).

The Sheriff's Office cannot ask you why you want the information.

Pennsylvania's Right to Know Law is available on-line. Read it. Become familiar with it. Use it as a tool.

After you get your response (and there are provisions in the RTKL to force a response, including having them pay attorney's fees), tally up how many exceed the 45-day limit, and then fire off a letter to the Attorney General, backed up by facts.
__________________
The twenty-first century is when everything changes. And you gotta be ready.
Reply With Quote
  #128 (permalink)  
Old December 23rd, 2007
ReefBlue's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location:
Phila outskirts, Pennsylvania
(Delaware County)
Age: 38
Posts: 453
Rep Power: 23
ReefBlue has a reputation beyond reputeReefBlue has a reputation beyond reputeReefBlue has a reputation beyond reputeReefBlue has a reputation beyond reputeReefBlue has a reputation beyond reputeReefBlue has a reputation beyond reputeReefBlue has a reputation beyond reputeReefBlue has a reputation beyond reputeReefBlue has a reputation beyond reputeReefBlue has a reputation beyond reputeReefBlue has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: just got off the phone with delco sheriffs office

Quote:
Originally Posted by Statkowski View Post
Pennsylvania's Right to Know Law (the Commonwealth's version of the Freedom of Information Act) requires a non-Commonwealth agency (the Sheriff's Department) to respond to a request for public information within five business days (yes, it does say business days).

Delaware County issues approximately 2,700 LTCFs per year.

Recommend a Delaware County resident submit a RTKL request to the Delaware County Sheriff's Office asking for the last 100 LTCF applications submitted, what were the LTCF submission dates and what were the LTCF issuance dates. (I recommend the number 100 since that's not an unreasonable amount. Instead of a fixed number you might ask for a specific month, but don't ask for an entire year's worth).

The Sheriff's Office cannot ask you why you want the information.

Pennsylvania's Right to Know Law is available on-line. Read it. Become familiar with it. Use it as a tool.

After you get your response (and there are provisions in the RTKL to force a response, including having them pay attorney's fees), tally up how many exceed the 45-day limit, and then fire off a letter to the Attorney General, backed up by facts.

http://www.psp.state.pa.us/psp/cwp/v...p?a=4&q=160408

The way the request form reads, it sounds like you have to request a copy of the record you want. They won't figure information out for you. Still, 100 copies would only cost 15 bucks. Though, if they have to redact (black out) people's ssns and other information, that makes it a dollar a piece just for redaction.
Reply With Quote
  #129 (permalink)  
Old December 23rd, 2007
XD45's Avatar
Grand Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location:
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
(Allegheny County)
Posts: 3,335
Rep Power: 208
XD45 has a reputation beyond reputeXD45 has a reputation beyond reputeXD45 has a reputation beyond reputeXD45 has a reputation beyond reputeXD45 has a reputation beyond reputeXD45 has a reputation beyond reputeXD45 has a reputation beyond reputeXD45 has a reputation beyond reputeXD45 has a reputation beyond reputeXD45 has a reputation beyond reputeXD45 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: just got off the phone with delco sheriffs office

gotta either do something about it; or quit bitchin and let them walk over you like everyone else... everyone here would already agree he's no good so bashing doesn't help anything
Reply With Quote
  #130 (permalink)  
Old December 23rd, 2007
Pa. Patriot's Avatar
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location:
Mountain Top, Pennsylvania
(Luzerne County)
Age: 39
Posts: 9,767
Rep Power: 861
Pa. Patriot has a reputation beyond reputePa. Patriot has a reputation beyond reputePa. Patriot has a reputation beyond reputePa. Patriot has a reputation beyond reputePa. Patriot has a reputation beyond reputePa. Patriot has a reputation beyond reputePa. Patriot has a reputation beyond reputePa. Patriot has a reputation beyond reputePa. Patriot has a reputation beyond reputePa. Patriot has a reputation beyond reputePa. Patriot has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to Pa. Patriot
Default Re: just got off the phone with delco sheriffs office

At the very minimum. every single person that has had their LTCF take more than the 45 days should be filing a private criminal complaint. It costs nothing.
It appropriate because he IS breaking the law. There are no exceptions. He has 45 days. I fail to see the reluctance on peoples part to file the complaint.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Sheriffs ability to revoke LTCF permits CZ40P Pennsylvania 5 December 10th, 2007 12:53 PM
Delco Update dragonofpa Concealed & Open Carry 22 December 9th, 2007 03:48 PM
Kudos to Lancaster, PA Sheriffs sjl127 Concealed & Open Carry 2 August 15th, 2007 04:29 PM
In the Office Again crowsnest2002 General 6 March 14th, 2007 01:19 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:38 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.2.0 ©2008, Crawlability, Inc.
Marketing Services provided by MergeMedia.