I can't wait to Move to PA

[indiandave]

once again you miss my point.He was not open carrying! he had his gun concealed . Do you understand that? He accidently showed his gun to the cashier. Scaring the girls is not the way to "exercise his rights" . I agree with you you can open carry in Pennsylvania. But he was not open carrying. He made a mistake and flashed his gun. Do you understand this?

[CHEMICAL]

Originally Posted by indiandave

once again you miss my point.He was not open carrying! he had his gun concealed . Do you understand that? He accidently showed his gun to the cashier. Scaring the girls is not the way to "exercise his rights" . I agree with you you can open carry in Pennsylvania. But he was not open carrying. He made a mistake and flashed his gun. Do you understand this?

this began because of a false statement..."concealed MEANS CONCEALED" is simply not correct, secondly if he accidentally showed his gun and scared the girls then their ignorance of the law or our rights is what scared them, not his "mistake".

regardless of whether or not his gun was shown accidentally or intentionally it is wrong to state that "concealed means concealed"..now do you get MY point?

[indiandave]

Once again you are wrong.The OP said he accidently flashed his gun I pointed out a way for this not to happen again. So you are saying concealed does not mean concealed? Then what does concealed mean? I don't follow your logic.

Yes he freaked out the girls. They called the cops.Their ignorance of the law didn't scare them,his gun did. Sloppy gun managment on his part is to blame.

[CHEMICAL]

Originally Posted by indiandave

Once again you are wrong.The OP said he accidently flashed his gun I pointed out a way for this not to happen again. So you are saying concealed does not mean concealed? Then what does concealed mean? I don't follow your logic.

Yes he freaked out the girls. They called the cops.Their ignorance of the law didn't scare them,his gun did. Sloppy gun managment on his part is to blame.

ok so lets assume that i misunderstood your post given how it was worded. i interpreted it to say:" concealed means (it has to be) concealed"..if i misunderstood then i apologize. however, the only reason his gun scared the girls is because of lack of normalcy or acceptance of firearms in our society...ex"guns are evil and bad"...so really if they were exposed to guns more, or not taught that guns were evil...the gun would NOT have scared them.

so really in a round about way they WERE scared of the "evil gun" due to lack of education and acceptance. if cars were dubbed evil people would cower every time they saw a car too, that doesn't mean i should park my car in the garage and hope no one gets scared if they see it accidentally. i bet you in the old days out west no one thought twice when they saw a cowboy with a gun strapped to his hip that was just going about his business.

[soberbyker]

Chemical, as correct as you are about OC, not everyone wants to be, nor has the time and money to be, an ambassador for the truth in gun laws. Some folks just want to protect themselves and their family in a quiet way.

The OP stated he was carrying concealed, IMO, indiandave was pointing out that he could have concealed better. No need for an argument here. There are countless threads here on the pros and cons of OC.

To the OP, kind of ironic that the very reason for wanting to move to Pa happened in Pa.

Good luck and welcome to the PAFOA.

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[amagi]

Ya, I am still getting used to the whole concept of concealed carry. In my opinion the best way to learn is to practice and that is what I am doing. I understand what you both are saying and it makes sesne, both of you. I tell people I carry my gun and they ask me why I think I'll need it at the grocery store, or WaWa I just know the day their Giant or WaWa gets robbed they'll wish someone was CCing. Conceal carry serves a dual purpose, to keep bad guys guessing but it also makes foolish sorority chicks from NY and NJ feel better about not seeing a gun around them.

[Kb! Bob]

Originally Posted by amagi

Ya, I am still getting used to the whole concept of concealed carry. In my opinion the best way to learn is to practice and that is what I am doing. I understand what you both are saying and it makes sesne, both of you. I tell people I carry my gun and they ask me why I think I'll need it at the grocery store, or WaWa I just know the day their Giant or WaWa gets robbed they'll wish someone was CCing. Conceal carry serves a dual purpose, to keep bad guys guessing but it also makes foolish sorority chicks from NY and NJ feel better about not seeing a gun around them.

I guess I missed the original point entirely!! I thought he was talking aboput on campus, to which I replied that it may be against policy but not the law. The have the right to expel you, but nobody wil EVER know if you conceal well. Thats what I did at my college. As far as around town, do whatever the hell you want. I VERY loosely conceal, meaning an OWB holster even with a tshirt, if it shows I really don't care. My uncle is Radnor LE so I have talked to him about it and, believe it or not, they are pretty well trained on carry laws and in my experience (and others, search "lprgcfrank") they are as professional and reasonable as any PD I know of.

[CHEMICAL]

Originally Posted by soberbyker

Chemical, as correct as you are about OC, not everyone wants to be, nor has the time and money to be, an ambassador for the truth in gun laws. Some folks just want to protect themselves and their family in a quiet way.

The OP stated he was carrying concealed, IMO, indiandave was pointing out that he could have concealed better. No need for an argument here. There are countless threads here on the pros and cons of OC.

To the OP, kind of ironic that the very reason for wanting to move to Pa happened in Pa.

Good luck and welcome to the PAFOA.

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i understand, which is why in my first post i made it a point to state that i never OC but i do understand why people do, just pointing out that it doesnt have to be concealed, since thats the way I took it.

[CHEMICAL]

Originally Posted by Kb! Bob

I guess I missed the original point entirely!! I thought he was talking aboput on campus, to which I replied that it may be against policy but not the law. The have the right to expel you, but nobody wil EVER know if you conceal well. Thats what I did at my college. As far as around town, do whatever the hell you want. I VERY loosely conceal, meaning an OWB holster even with a tshirt, if it shows I really don't care. My uncle is Radnor LE so I have talked to him about it and, believe it or not, they are pretty well trained on carry laws and in my experience (and others, search "lprgcfrank") they are as professional and reasonable as any PD I know of.

+1 to your uncle and his department for being educated.

[ungawa]

Originally Posted by indiandave

Welcome to Pennsylvania.I made the move across the river 6 years ago. Never looked back.

Not to be negative but concealed means concealed. If you carry OWB have an untucked tee shirt over your gun so when you open your jacket no one will see your gun.

Two cover garments is a bad idea from the perspective of needing to draw. But at least you have a gun. I did it a few weeks ago because I wanted to conceal OWB at a college. You're right, OWB is a pain to conceal.

Originally Posted by indiandave

You are not getting my point. I also think you should be able to open carry . What I'm talking about is the people he is carrying around are anti gun people from New jersey.. If you want to convert them, flashing your gun from under your coat is not going to do it.He was not open carrying he was carrying concealed and accidently showed his gun.

If I got your point correctly, I agree with it. Printing or flashing is probably more suspicious than open carrying. Around where I live I don't really care now that it is winter. My gun is OWB but sometimes covered by my fleece. Where he is, yeah, probably should pick one or the other.