Lost my wallet today with my LTCF inside.

[WhiteShadow]

HiredGoon, about your comment regarding a sheriff issuing two LTCFs at the same time. They sure can. Technically, they arent issuing two LTCF's, they are issuing a single original LTCF and a duplicate. If you look on your LTCF, just like a Drivers License, theres a box that has a DUPL/CORRECTION section. When you get your replacement LTCF from the Sheriff the box next to DUPL/CORRECTION will be checked instead of the NEW or RENEW box.

To the OP, i had to get a duplicate of my LTCF made a while back because the same thing happened to me. The York County Sheriff's office only took a mere 5 minutes to get me my duplicate LTCF. I dont know how fast your local Sheriff's office would take, but usually they are pretty good with getting it to you in a timely manner, more than i can say for the DMV!

[HiredGoon]

Originally Posted by truecrimson

So if I understand this correctly if a person has a valid LTCF, and moves, and then applies for one in the new county of residence, then a completely new LTCF is issued? And this is not cross checked, cross referenced, or prohibited?

Any LEOs care to comment on how you would react if you encountered someone who had two from different counties? Would the fact that you have two show up during a routine check, for example if they checked your LTCF during a traffic stop?

Hmmmm, maybe I need to take another trip to the courthouse

So my thoughts on this would be that they run the number on your LTCF and it comes back either valid or revoked. So there probably would be no mention of the other LTCF since they are running it by the number only.

[truecrimson]

Just got off the phone with PSP and the young lady I spoke to was very helpful.

Acording to her there is absolutely nothing illegal, or in violation of any rules about having multiple PA LTCFs (assuming no lies on the application, and everything else legit). You can indeed be issued, carry, and use 2 (or more) valid LTCFs.

I'll be sending them a letter to see if I can get that in writing.

ETA: Guess I'll be applying for one here in Lebanon. I need a backup

[wa3ra]

I guess many of our counties are placing us in violation of the law, huh?

In most counties, that little plastic card is simply 'proof' that you have a license; at least in Lackawanna, the LICENSE as a tangible object is kept on file in the sheriff's office.

Is it hard to verify that you have such license? (keeping in mind that 'license' is permission or verification of the qualification to perform a specific act or function)? Not at all. If an officer runs your OLN or address in my county, any LTCF associated with that operator number or address is immediately indicated on the comm center's screen.

If you are charged with some type of vehicle violation (outside of a ticketable offense), that little plastic card is NOT GOOD ENOUGH for the courts; the officer must obtain a certified copy of the license.

All of my fed 'licenses' indicate that they are proof that I have met the qualifications, and that I have been granted a license by the related agency for the 'rights' earned.

Also, no 'driver's license' card? GENERALLY, you will be issued a warning that will turn into a ticket if the card isn't produced within a specific period of time. I say generally, because you CAN be issued a failure to produce citation on the spot, but virtually any magistrate will toss the citation when you produce the card.

Federal law is specific; I must produce the CARD as proof of licensure , but the card is NOT the license.

It seems that problem resides with the misuse of the term license by the state, and we can second-guess the meaning all that we want, but none of our disagreements will solve the badly-worded statute.

[mrjam2jab]

Originally Posted by wa3ra

If an officer runs your OLN or address in my county, any LTCF associated with that operator number or address is immediately indicated on the comm center's screen.

It was my understanding that the LTCF is NOT associated with driver's license in PA.....so just running an OLN will not show that a LTCF is issued.