Permit in Montgomery County

[rady8um]

Originally Posted by GunLawyer001

Never lie to the government in writing, especially when they can find out that you're lying. They can run your name and determine if you've ever purchased a handgun in PA, and if you did, and it didn't get re-sold to someone else through an FFL, they can presume that you just lied.

If you lie on the application, you are not only breaking PA law, you are handing them the reason to deny your application. Philadelphia is doing that a lot now, especially for people who were arrested and acquitted who write on the form that they were never arrested. Philadelphia has an illegal 2nd page to the statutory Application that seems designed to entrap people into making false statements.

Either refuse to answer, or answer honestly. Those are the only 2 options.

Very Good point GunLawyer001 . So, if the application asks the types of guns that one owns, put n/a, it is nobody's business, this is PA, not the PRNJ. If the State Police can't keep a registry, why can the Montco sheriff? What if you bought a gun FTF? What if you have had the gun since before 1968? What if you have guns you don't plan on carrying? Of all of my guns, only one was purchased new, the rest were "hand-me-downs" from dad.
If they are asking the type of gun you plan to carry and serial #, then you could write "not purchased yet." Ultimately, I have a hard time believing that anybody has the right to ask about the guns you own before a permit will be issued. Of course IANAL and your government CAN/WILL/DOES lie to you, but you can't lie to the government. Which is why nobody lies on their tax return.

[billamj]

I don't think that I would put "n/a" in that part of the form as that means "not applicable" and as soon as they run your name any handguns that you own will show up. At that point you've purjured(sp?) yourself and are open to charges as well as being turned down immediately. I would just leave that part of the form blank and if they ask about it say something to the affect "Since the UFA makes it illegal for there to be any registry in Pennsylvania I did not see the need to fill out that part of the form." If they have an issue at that point you'll have to decide how you want to handle it, I might contact a lawyer myself.

[rady8um]

Originally Posted by billamj

If they have an issue at that point you'll have to decide how you want to handle it, I might contact a lawyer myself.

Dewey,Screwem and Howe?

As far as writing n/a in the app., I would think that meant none of the guns you own are applicable to the LTC as you don't plan on carrying them. Of course, in PA the LTC does not refer to a specific gun like a permit to own a firearm in the PRNJ. Putting n/a doesn't state you have no guns, just that they are n/a.
Having said that, I think your idea of leaving it blank is the smartest thing to do. But, I am not known for always doing the smart thing.

[MarcS]

Originally Posted by billamj

I don't think that I would put "n/a" in that part of the form as that means "not applicable" and as soon as they run your name any handguns that you own will show up. At that point you've purjured(sp?) yourself and are open to charges as well as being turned down immediately. I would just leave that part of the form blank and if they ask about it say something to the affect "Since the UFA makes it illegal for there to be any registry in Pennsylvania I did not see the need to fill out that part of the form." If they have an issue at that point you'll have to decide how you want to handle it, I might contact a lawyer myself.

writing "not applicable" is not a statement that you do not own guns. It is simply stating that that question is irrelevent for the purposes of applying for a LTCF. There can be any number of reasons why this question in not applicable in your mind, in this case, it's a nice way of saying "none of your fucking business." If the police take this to mean that you do not own any guns, that was an incorrect assumption on their behalf. You have in no way perjured yourself, you were simply being vauge. Perjury would require that i believe that the question was relevent and swear an oath or affirmation to that effect. I clearly don't believe that the question is applicable.

[billamj]

Originally Posted by MarcS

writing "not applicable" is not a statement that you do not own guns. It is simply stating that that question is irrelevent for the purposes of applying for a LTCF. There can be any number of reasons why this question in not applicable in your mind, in this case, it's a nice way of saying "none of your fucking business." If the police take this to mean that you do not own any guns, that was an incorrect assumption on their behalf. You have in no way perjured yourself, you were simply being vauge. Perjury would require that i believe that the question was relevent and swear an oath or affirmation to that effect. I clearly don't believe that the question is applicable.

Hope you have a good lawyer if they decide to press the point because on the form you swear that you've answered ALL of the questions to the best of your ability. By supplying a false answer you have perjured yourself. I've seen it happen before.

[HiredGoon]

Fayette County at one time asked for make, model & serial number of weapons on the LTCF. I dug out my dad's old license from 1984 (see photo). Personal info has been removed and the words SAMPLE inserted. His read "various" with no specific gun listed. I'm not sure if anyone could get theirs to read that way or not, but he was a retired PA State Trooper.

[MartinBrody]

Redwin89 - We must have applied at the same time 12 yrs ago, in Chester County I had to have a doctor's signature. I was in college (Gettysburg College) and didn't have a doctor so I went to the college health center. Anyway they had no problem signing, might have been tougher getting some Philly burbs Dr. to sign it, but out in central PA, not an issue. Anyway a friend of mine just applied for the first time recently and the Doctor signoff was not part of the application.

That Montgomery County thing sounds troubling.

[MartinBrody]

OK, this is from the Montco. Sheriff's website, sounds like you are referring to the local police check card, very worrisome, does anyone know exactly what the police require and if it is mandatory to list all your guns for them???
I know in Springfield Twp. you need a permit for a yard sale, lots of heavy handed gov't up there.

Pennsylvania License to Carry a Concealed Firearm

Montgomery County Sheriff's Department

John P. Durante, Sheriff



- You will need to COME IN - IN PERSON to the Court House in Norristown with the following:

1.
Pennsylvania Drivers License and/or Pennsylvania I.D. Card with your Montgomery County address.
2.
If renewing, applicant must remember to supply names, addresses and telephone numbers of two (2) references (not immediate family.)
3.
Local Police check card must be signed by your local police department (New Applicants).
4.
$25.00 or $46.00 cash, check or money order (No Credit/Debit cards accepted.)
5.
Foreign-born applicants who are U.S. Citizens must supply Passport or Naturalization Paperwork.
6.
Foreign-born applicants who are not U.S. Citizens must provide proof of immigration status.

* Note: Applicants with expired permits more than 60 days old will be considered new applicants.

You have the following 2 types of permits to choose from:

*
Hard Plastic, similar to drivers license, $46.00, you do not need to supply photo for this option.
*
Laminated paper permit with photo attached, $25.00 You must supply 2 passport size photographs to obtain this permit.

ALL APPLICANTS WILL HAVE A BACKGROUND CHECK RUN THROUGH THE PENNSYLVANIA INSTANT CHECK SYSTEM BEFORE ANY PERMIT IS ISSUED.

Office hours are Monday through Friday, 8:30am to 4:15pm for picking up applications.

Processing hours are Monday through Friday, 8:30am to 3:30pm.

Permits cannot be processed unless all of the above requirements are met.

[Quiquin]

There is a poster over on THR from Montgomery county who said that they are requiring him to get a form filled out by the local PD, who in turn want him to fill out a form listing types of guns and serial numbers...

Hi everyone. That poster on THR is me. I started a new post with the story. I apologize. I didn't see that the issue was already being discussed.

[TrybalRage]

With your troubles and that other guy's response to open carry from Montgomery County, it looks like the LEO's up there have their heads up their collective asses.

Open carry day, anyone?