AK Open / Conceal Carry Question

[Carnes]

Originally Posted by King 5.45

If the PA legislature were to pass a bill so limiting OC of firearms, and Ed Rendell were to sign it into law, they would first have had to do something about this:

"The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned." - Pennsylvania Constitution, Article 1, Section 21

It isn't an anachronism that they can simply pretend doesn't exist. Ultimately, it's there to give citizens a measure of redress when civilization has gone to hell in a handbasket and the government has decided to not only rule us, but to do so by any means at their disposal, and with us disarmed. In the meantime, barring the beginning of true SHTF, it's there to allow us to defend ourselves from common criminals, and to provide for defense against those would attack the state from without and within in order to overthrow it and appropriate its lawful authority.

They already do pretend it does not exist at both the State and National level.

The National Firearms Act of 1934
The Gun Control Act of 1968
The Gun Owners Protection Act of 1986

By destroying the citizens ability to obtain modern select-fire weapons, the government has gone entirely against the intent of the 2A.

Do you really think the PA Constitution has some magical ability to protect our right to OC independent of peoples actions?

There are lots of ways to protect our rights. One of those ways is to protect a right, is to exercise the right. I will not discourage people from exercising their rights, and I am getting pretty sick and tired of others who do.

If a person wants to OC, I will discuss safety, tactical, legal and whatever other considerations I may feel pertinent to the issue, but I am not going to do anything other than support a person who has the courage to exercise his or her rights.

If someone has the balls and financial resources to feel confident OCing an AK slung on the back, with an AR slung on the front, I say good for that person. I would likely prefer a formal demonstration that is well organized and planned, involving lots of people... but just because I prefer one thing does not mean that the other is necessarily bad or wrong.

[Emptymag]

Originally Posted by Brown-Bear

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...While I normally say that OC does not create a disturbance OC'ing an AR or AK will. This is not Isreal and most on this site are not as hot as the IDF Girls so.....Proceed at your own risk.

Dave

You've not seen me in shorts, have you?

[King 5.45]

Originally Posted by Carnes

They already do pretend it does not exist at both the State and National level.

The National Firearms Act of 1934
The Gun Control Act of 1968
The Gun Owners Protection Act of 1986

By destroying the citizens ability to obtain modern select-fire weapons, the government has gone entirely against the intent of the 2A.

Do you really think the PA Constitution has some magical ability to protect our right to OC independent of peoples actions?

There are lots of ways to protect our rights. One of those ways is to protect a right, is to exercise the right. I will not discourage people from exercising their rights, and I am getting pretty sick and tired of others who do.

If a person wants to OC, I will discuss safety, tactical, legal and whatever other considerations I may feel pertinent to the issue, but I am not going to do anything other than support a person who has the courage to exercise his or her rights.

If someone has the balls and financial resources to feel confident OCing an AK slung on the back, with an AR slung on the front, I say good for that person. I would likely prefer a formal demonstration that is well organized and planned, involving lots of people... but just because I prefer one thing does not mean that the other is necessarily bad or wrong.

Carnes, let's remember that our federal government was an artificial construct that was created to coordinate things for the best interests of the former colonies and their residents.

Some states even entered the Union with the promise that the Second Amendment was an individual, not a collective right: http://www.reason.com/news/show/126063.html

Yes, I do believe that PA residents have a more reasonable right to expect their state government to respect and honor the wording of the state constitution, irrespective of anything that may have happened or will have happened on the federal level.

Our state entered into the Union with its own Constitution, thirteen years ahead of the adoption of the Federal model. While we may find ourselves hamstrung nationally by the attempts of those against us to strike down 2A generally, within our own borders we have every right to expect that our own government will respect our state constitution. Anything less would be grounds for an "unfortunate state of affairs," something for which it seems some of us are attempting to prepare.

I hear you when you say that a right unemployed is a right soon lost, but in waltzing around with EBRs and MBRs, we might also entice those who make the laws to beat our state constitution to within an inch of its original intent and meaning. I think we'll know quite well when it's time to take to the ramparts and lock and load, if ever it were to come to that. Until then, I fail to see, even from the point of a game of intellectual kickball, the point of discussing the merits of a practice that would surely accelerate general panic among those not inclined to have Ammoman.com on speed-dial.

I'm just sayin' ...

[jud4420]

Well consider this guys, Myself and my family hunt up in Tionesta Pa. When we come out the woods sometimes we'll stop in town for a bite to eat. During hunting season people up there tend to not leave their very expensive rifles in their cars while in a restaurant for fear they might be stolen. Its not hard to spot a hunters truck and to a would be thief they are prime targets. So many folks carry their rifles into some restaurants, (which during huntings season no one seems to think nothing of it).

But now what if you have someone out hunting with an Ak and they decided to come in for a bite to eat. Should they leave it in the car and risk theft? (not that id hunt with my AK) but I sure as hell wouldn't leave it in the car. Dont think id carry it loaded into the restaurant either but, unloaded i may, but either way, by law, I could .

And again Im talking about during the season, but if someone did do it, i doubt they would get much more attention than, "hey look at that idiot".


Im not condoning this in any way, just stating a real possible scenario of how it *could happen.

[GunLawyer001]

Originally Posted by jud4420

Well consider this guys, Myself and my family hunt up in Tionesta Pa. When we come out the woods sometimes we'll stop in town for a bite to eat. During hunting season people up there tend to not leave their very expensive rifles in their cars while in a restaurant for fear they might be stolen. Its not hard to spot a hunters truck and to a would be thief they are prime targets. So many folks carry their rifles into some restaurants, (which during huntings season no one seems to think nothing of it).

But now what if you have someone out hunting with an Ak and they decided to come in for a bite to eat. Should they leave it in the car and risk theft? (not that id hunt with my AK) but I sure as hell wouldn't leave it in the car. Dont think id carry it loaded into the restaurant either but, unloaded i may, but either way, by law, I could .

And again Im talking about during the season, but if someone did do it, i doubt they would get much more attention than, "hey look at that idiot".


Im not condoning this in any way, just stating a real possible scenario of how it *could happen.

Which season in PA allows hunting with a semi-auto rifle?

[gunperson003]

Originally Posted by GunLawyer001

Which season in PA allows hunting with a semi-auto rifle?

I shouldn't tease, but in Alaska you can hunt with semi auto.

[fingers80002]

Originally Posted by gunperson003

I shouldn't tease, but in Alaska you can hunt with semi auto.

Let's hear about an OC with an AK/AR in Alaska!!!!

[knighthawk06699]

Now that would be awesome, hunting Grizzly with an AK!!!!

[jud4420]

Originally Posted by GunLawyer001

Which season in PA allows hunting with a semi-auto rifle?

Well now that i think of it your right there, the answer would be none. However semi auto pistols can be carried for self defense with a LTCF, so if it was an AK pistol I guess you could still get away with it. (again not that im trying to make an argument TO do it).

But my point is there may be certain scenario's that one may find ones self in, that, although ill advised, one would still be aloud by law to carry such a rifle down the street.

[GunLawyer001]

Originally Posted by gunperson003

I shouldn't tease, but in Alaska you can hunt with semi auto.

Wasn't there a case in Alaska a decade or 2 back, where the Feds prosecuted some local for making his own unregistered Sten machineguns? Had a slam-dunk case, had the guns, it was airtight. As I recall, the jury of his Alaskan peers was just baffled why it would be illegal to make a few mg's for personal use, and they declined to convict.

I may have to move to Alaska some day...