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    Default Conceal carry permits for PA

    I have a house in CT and one in Tobyhanna, PA. For CT I have a permit to carry concealed. Given the foreclosures in my area of PA I'd like to start taking my firearm to the PA house when I am up there on the weekends. What permit(s) do I need to carry in PA as a non-full time resident and homeowner? I was considering a Utah Permit since I also have a house in OH. Thoughts?

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    Default Re: Conceal carry permits for PA

    Looks like PA doesn't accept the CT permit. Here is a list of the permits or licenses that will work in PA:

    http://www.pafoa.org/law/carrying-fi...ry/reciprocity

    You may also be able to get a non resident PA LTCF. Depends on the county/sheriff I think. You'd need to talk to the sheriff's office of the county your property is in to see if they issue non-resident licenses.
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    Default Re: Conceal carry permits for PA

    RCS:

    Since you have a CT permit, you should be able to get a PA non-resident License to Carry ($20/5 years) without a hassle (well not too much of one). While it doesn't give you all the states UT, AZ or FL would, you would avoid the 1000' federal school zone prohibition while you are carrying in PA. Also, as a non-resident, you are not required to apply in the county where your 2nd home is, you can apply to any county sheriff's office. There are really no hoops you should have to jump through to get the PA license

    I don't know how non-resident license friendly the Monroe Co. sheriff is (it appears that he does issue them), and although having a 2nd home in PA really doesn't work into the license equation, it may make it a little easier to get the PA license from the Monroe Co. sheriff. Here's the link to their LTCF page. You'd have to contact them to get the particulars (some of the info on the site is not IAW the PA UFA and may have been changed since the page was put up):

    http://www.co.monroe.pa.us/judicial/...ialNav=|34328|

    To cover you in OH, the AZ permit may be the easiest/least expensive of the bunch to get (PA has no reciprocity with OH so you would need another state's permit/license).

    Soberbyker posted a set of maps that show what states you get with what permits/licenses here:

    http://forum.pafoa.org/1779381-post-36.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurt_D View Post
    RCS:

    Since you have a CT permit, you should be able to get a PA non-resident License to Carry ($20/5 years) without a hassle (well not too much of one). While it doesn't give you all the states UT, AZ or FL would, you would avoid the 1000' federal school zone prohibition while you are carrying in PA. Also, as a non-resident, you are not required to apply in the county where your 2nd home is, you can apply to any county sheriff's office. There are really no hoops you should have to jump through to get the PA license

    I don't know how non-resident license friendly the Monroe Co. sheriff is (it appears that he does issue them), and although having a 2nd home in PA really doesn't work into the license equation, it may make it a little easier to get the PA license from the Monroe Co. sheriff. Here's the link to their LTCF page. You'd have to contact them to get the particulars (some of the info on the site is not IAW the PA UFA and may have been changed since the page was put up):

    http://www.co.monroe.pa.us/judicial/...ialNav=|34328|

    To cover you in OH, the AZ permit may be the easiest/least expensive of the bunch to get (PA has no reciprocity with OH so you would need another state's permit/license).

    Soberbyker posted a set of maps that show what states you get with what permits/licenses here:

    http://forum.pafoa.org/1779381-post-36.html
    I have an email into the County Sheriff describing my situation and asking if in practice he recognizes the Utah State permit. Ideally, I'd like to only have to get the Utah Permit so I can have reciprocity for OH and PA. However, since I do spend a good amount of time in PA, I don't want any hassle with the local law enforcement. As an example, on the Monroe Sheriff's website it mentions reciprocity with many States but not Utah. So, he and other PA LEO's may not recognize Utah reciprocity. See where I'm going here?

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    It is not up to the Monroe Co. sheriff to decide what permits/licenses are valid from other states. It is the PA Attorney General who makes those agreements/declarations and all PA LEOs have to abide by them.

    The reason I suggested a PA non-resident license is to allow you not to have to worry about getting hassled if you happen to be carrying within 1000' of a school while you are in PA. It may never come up but it could bite you in the arse if some LEO or DA decided to press the issue if you were ever caught in that situation. Since the PA LTCF is only $20 for 5 years, it puts that (federal) prohibition to bed - at least in PA (& CT since you are covered there also).

    Edit: Personally, I would tread very lightly about carrying a loaded firearm in your vehicle ONLY on your CT permit. The clause quoted that seems to cover you is one of the EXCEPTIONS to the statute and the burden of proof that you meet that exception may be on you, during a felony trial situation - so be careful when relying on that paragraph. Getting grabbed by your short ones over that could jeopardize your CT permit and also ever owning a gun again. I'm not a lawyer but I think the ice may be thin there.
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    Default Re: Conceal carry permits for PA

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurt_D View Post
    It is not up to the Monroe Co. sheriff to decide what permits/licenses are valid from other states. It is the PA Attorney General who makes those agreements/declarations and all PA LEOs have to abide by them.

    The reason I suggested a PA non-resident license is to allow you not to have to worry about getting hassled if you happen to be carrying within 1000' of a school while you are in PA. It may never come up but it could bite you in the arse if some LEO or DA decided to press the issue if you were ever caught in that situation. Since the PA LTCF is only $20 for 5 years, it puts that (federal) prohibition to bed - at least in PA (& CT since you are covered there also).
    I see your point. A non-resident PA permit is not expensive and provides some benefits. However, it requires that I appear in person to submit the application and pick up the permit. In addition, I have to have two references fill out a questionnaire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurt_D View Post
    during a felony trial situation - so be careful when relying on that paragraph.
    Just to be clear, even if there was no permit or license, it would be a Misdemeanor violation, not a Felony. Check paragraph (2) of the statute posted.

    Be safe (and classified correctly).

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCS View Post
    I have an email into the County Sheriff describing my situation and asking if in practice he recognizes the Utah State permit. Ideally, I'd like to only have to get the Utah Permit so I can have reciprocity for OH and PA. However, since I do spend a good amount of time in PA, I don't want any hassle with the local law enforcement. As an example, on the Monroe Sheriff's website it mentions reciprocity with many States but not Utah. So, he and other PA LEO's may not recognize Utah reciprocity. See where I'm going here?
    the page does have a link to the atty general website for updates which are here:

    http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/crime.aspx?id=184

    this does say the PA has reciprocity with Utah

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    Default Re: Conceal carry permits for PA

    Quote Originally Posted by xtcjpr13 View Post
    the page does have a link to the atty general website for updates which are here:

    http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/crime.aspx?id=184

    this does say the PA has reciprocity with Utah
    Yes, the page on the Attorney General PA website does say that there is statutory reciprocity with Utah. Up in the Poconos, I'm not sure all of the LEO's may be up to speed with what the website says. What if I run into a LEO that just doesn't like conceal carry for whatever reason and insists that I have a PA permit?

    Of course, I could always carry with me a printout.

    I guess I'm talking myself into the fact that I may need a PA permit to avoid any potential hassles in PA.

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    Default Re: Conceal carry permits for PA

    You can get a PA Non-Resident License to Carry Firearms. Start with the Sheriff of the County that you have the house in. You will need to have your CT CCP when making application. If for some reason the Sheriff will not issue a Non-Resident LTCF, there are others in the Commonwealth that do.

    As an aside, you would be lawful to transport the firearm to PA. You could even have it loaded in your vehicle, while in PA, on your CT CCP.

    Be safe (and Licensed).

    Scott

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