Vintage Ammo question

[BIA_Design]

I don't know much about vintage ammo, beyond that it has some collector value. Thought I would post up here to get some opinions, info, or what ever relevant data you guys might have. I'll prob keep what ever ammo works with what we have, and eventually sell off the rest.

back story goes as follows: Came across a large stash (actually a full palette load) of ammo at my grandfathers house after a friend of his gave him a gun collection last year. While I was up for Thanksgiving I started cutting into the wrapping to see just what was there... Most was in green army ammo cans, but some was is in wooden crates. Well the guns (2x m1 garands, a Venezuelan 7mm FN 47, a madsen M47, bunch of mausers (mod 1898, mod 1909,, etc) are pretty easy to ID, have restored, and appraised, but the ammo is another story.

I am heading back up next weekend and was hoping to go back with a little more knowledge as to just what we have. Also want to verify so I can possibly try some of these beasts out.

again, just hoping someone out there is knowledgeable in these items and can provide any relevant info.

Thanks in advance.

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2x wooden crates screwed shut each with 2 spam can style ammo cans (not the traditional flip up style, but rather a sealed can) each one is marked .45 cal. One of the cans was opened slightly so I was able to wiggle a round out.




2x wooden crates with loose 7.62 ammo
2x metal ammo cans (flip style) with loose 7.62 ammo




2x wooden crates with the above ammo in rusty 8 round stripper clips



3x metal ammo cans (flip style) with loose rifle rounds (FN maybe??)




2x metal ammo cans witht he same ammo as above in 5 round stripper clips. My searching on the FN has led me to believe these are the correct rounds for it, but again, I don't know enough to be sure.



10x ammo cans and wooden crates full of misc rounds, 7.62 brass, etc. some of it was pretty easy to identify, 9mm Parabelum (for an Astra 600) 30-30, 12 guage, and .22 (for an M44 trainer) but a lot was misc rifle that I could not identify. Here are some pics.....

misc 1




misc 2




misc 3

[Seneca Arms Co. Inc.]

None of that ammo would be considered collectible really. Although the .45 ammo you have there was made in the Evansville Plant(chrysler motors) in 1942 and if it is in original boxes it has some collector potential.

[PA Rifleman]

Originally Posted by BIA_Design

2x wooden crates screwed shut each with 2 spam can style ammo cans (not the traditional flip up style, but rather a sealed can) each one is marked .45 cal. One of the cans was opened slightly so I was able to wiggle a round out.

W.W.II US-made 45 ACP recently re-imported from one of the Scandinavian Peninsula countries, I recall Norway? Repackaged, so little collector vale. Should be okay to shoot. Will be corrosive!

Originally Posted by BIA_Design

2x wooden crates with the above ammo in rusty 8 round stripper clips

Size should be 30-06, clip is for US Rifle, M1. Also called "Garand".

Originally Posted by BIA_Design

That 7*57 means it's 7mm x 57mm or 7mm Mauser.

Originally Posted by BIA_Design

Like the cases says, 7.65mm Argentine. That one is Norma, which is *very* expensive.

[P89]

Here this should help.
http://cartridgecollectors.org/
This one takes you right where you want to see.
http://cartridgecollectors.org/ww2usmfrs/index.htm

Depending on what it is they can fetch a few bucks. More nostalgia than anything.
Whole boxes in mint shape fetch bigger money...but by no means hundreds of dollars, also depending on a whole lot of factors.

If I remember right the black band & black tips mean those are armor piercing rounds.

[BIA_Design]

Originally Posted by P89

Here this should help.
http://cartridgecollectors.org/
This one takes you right where you want to see.
http://cartridgecollectors.org/ww2usmfrs/index.htm

Depending on what it is they can fetch a few bucks. More nostalgia than anything.
Whole boxes in mint shape fetch bigger money...but by no means hundreds of dollars, also depending on a whole lot of factors.

If I remember right the black band & black tips mean those are armor piercing rounds.

thanks for the links.... Being able to identify the headstamps is a great start....

Norma: ÅB Norma Projektilfabrik, 670 40 Amotfors, Sweden

Herter's: Herters Inc., Waseca, MN (produced in Sweden)

HA: Danish Government Arsenal (Ammunitionsarsenalet), Copenhagen, Denmark

FMCSF: Fábrica Militar de Cartuchos San Francisco, San Francisco, Argentina

[BIA_Design]

Originally Posted by Seneca Arms Co. Inc.

None of that ammo would be considered collectible really. Although the .45 ammo you have there was made in the Evansville Plant(chrysler motors) in 1942 and if it is in original boxes it has some collector potential.

First step is actually to play the match game.... identify the ammo than figure out what ammo goes with what vintage gun.

1) Model 1949 FN Semiautomatic Rifle 7 mm Venezuela

2) Mauser Modelo Argentino 1909 "Deutche Waffen Und Ammunitionsfaberiken Berlin"

3) Thompson M1A1 (incomplete gun, just stocks and misc furniture)

4) Mossberg Model M44 22 Long Rifle

5) Madsen M47

6) Springfield .30 Cal M-1 Garand

7) Springfield .30 Cal M-1 Garand

8) Swedish Mauser Carl Gustafs Model 1908

[P89]

There's a lot of digging involved, people who collect ammo are few...complete knowledge is even less. Find lots of books on the subject, they seem to be most helpfull. I'll post some of the domestic stuff I've collected over the years...you just gave me an excuse to finally download my camera.

[BIA_Design]

Originally Posted by BIA_Design

First step is actually to play the match game.... identify the ammo than figure out what ammo goes with what vintage gun.

Does this look right?

1) Model 1949 FN Semiautomatic Rifle 7 mm Venezuela <--- ??????

2) Mauser Modelo Argentino 1909 "Deutche Waffen Und Ammunitionsfaberiken Berlin" <--- NORMA 7.65 ARG

3) Thompson M1A1 (incomplete gun, just stocks and misc furniture) <--- EC .45 ACP if we had the rest of the parts and an NFA permit. Do I need to do anything legally for just the parts?

4) Mossberg Model M44 22 Long Rifle <--- Standard .22 LR

5) Madsen M47 <--- ??????

6) Springfield .30 Cal M-1 Garand <--- 30-06 in stripper clips

7) Springfield .30 Cal M-1 Garand <--- 30-06 in stripper clips

8) Swedish Mauser Carl Gustafs Model 1908 <--- Herters's 7*57

[P89]

[quote=BIA_Design;170440]

3) Thompson M1A1 (incomplete gun, just stocks and misc furniture) <--- EC .45 ACP if we had the rest of the parts and an NFA permit. Do I need to do anything legally for just the parts?

No NFA needed, transfers just like a long gun...assuming what you have is NOT original Auto-Ordinance, Colt, or S&W. All parts are available from Kahr, who bought out Auto-ordinance awhile back. Again this is depending on what you have...the newer ones are a different design than the originals.


I found my old manual, if you want it...it's yours. Just PM me.

[P89]

Here's a fraction of my collection.