NFA/Class III - Anyone?

[D-FENS]

Hey guys,

I'm getting interested in a few small NFA/Class III items like a suppressed P22. Does anyone else in Allegheny have anything like this?

Did you go through the CLEO?

How'd you do it?

Any input is appreciated

Thanks!

[otto_sear]

I own many NFA weapons, mostly suppressors, and live in Bethel Park. I went through the local Chief of Police, who signed off on my transfers after I let his detectives perform a background check on me (which I didn't mind doing).

I have no idea if the new Allegheny county sheriff signs off on NFA transfers, but DeFazio would not sign for anyone, including law enforcement officers.

Talk to your local chief of police, preferably in person, and feel him out. Tell him suppressors are legal and that you have no intention of using it for a criminal purpose. If your chief won't sign, form an LLC and bypass him altogether. The paperwork is very straightforward and there is a one-time filing fee of $125. Hope this helps.

[otto_sear]

Here is a pic of my suppressed .22lr setup. It's an Advantage Arms kit on my Glock 19. My buddy uses a P22 as a host gun, and I like it- nice and small.

[D-FENS]

Filing fee of $125???

I know I have to pay a $200 tax stamp. Is this fee in addition to that? Holy crap!

I *really* do appreciate your following up on my post.

+1 Thank you!

[SteveXD]

Originally Posted by TheHighChild

Filing fee of $125???

I think he was talking about the cost of setting up an Corp, or a trust. You don't need to do that if you can get you CLEO to sign for you.

[otto_sear]

Originally Posted by SteveXD

I think he was talking about the cost of setting up an Corp, or a trust. You don't need to do that if you can get you CLEO to sign for you.

Correct. I was referring to the filing fee for creating an LLC in the event that your CLEO will not sign your form four applications.

[WhiteFeather]

You have several choices for CLEO signatures besides forming a corporation.

You can have your township or city police chief sign it (people have told me some absolutely will not in Allegheny county) still your best choice IF you have one or you can get the acting Allegheny county sheriff William Mullen sign it.

There is also the option of your local Magistrate or local judge having jurisdiction over where you live signing it also.

Call acting sheriff Mullen, to see if he will sign it, he is running for election in Nov 2007. Note have him to sign it before the election. All people running for public office are pretty helpful 4-6 months prior to their elections after that LOL.

Allegheny county sheriff William Mullen email is WMullen@court.allegheny.pa.us or call sheriff office at 412-350-4719

IF you contact acting sheriff Mullen and IF he refuses to sign PLEASE contact Allegheny County Sportsmen League Legislative Chairman ASAP with all the details.
Kim Stolfer
(412) 221-3346, Home Phone
(412) 257-1099, Home Fax
(412) 352-5018, Cell
email activist@fyi.net

One note is you have to have the C3 /SOT paper work done before anyone will sign it = MEANINNG YOU HAVE TO PAY DEALER 100% UPFRONT FOR SUPPRESSOR or anyother NFA item

Lots of other info on NFA/Class 3/Title II ownership in here http://www.pafoa.org/forum/nfa-class-3-title-ii-34/

[otto_sear]

Originally Posted by WhiteFeather

You have several choices for CLEO signatures besides forming a corporation.

You can have your township or city police chief sign it (people have told me some absolutely will not in Allegheny county) still your best choice IF you have one or you can get the acting Allegheny county sheriff William Mullen sign it.

There is also the option of your local Magistrate or local judge having jurisdiction over where you live signing it also.

Call acting sheriff Mullen, to see if he will sign it, he is running for election in Nov 2007. Note have him to sign it before the election. All people running for public office are pretty helpful 4-6 months prior to their elections after that LOL.

Allegheny county sheriff William Mullen email is WMullen@court.allegheny.pa.us or call sheriff office at 412-350-4719

IF you contact acting sheriff Mullen and IF he refuses to sign PLEASE contact Allegheny County Sportsmen League Legislative Chairman ASAP with all the details.
Kim Stolfer
(412) 221-3346, Home Phone
(412) 257-1099, Home Fax
(412) 352-5018, Cell
email activist@fyi.net

One note is you have to have the C3 /SOT paper work done before anyone will sign it = MEANINNG YOU HAVE TO PAY DEALER 100% UPFRONT FOR SUPPRESSOR or anyother NFA item

Lots of other info on NFA/Class 3/Title II ownership in here http://www.pafoa.org/forum/nfa-class-3-title-ii-34/

While everything Whitefeather said is true, I take a different view of the situation. Look, first and foremost, you must understand that no one is obligated to sign off on the form four paperwork. So if Mullen refuses to sign, and he can do that, I fail to see what calling Kim Stolfer will accomplish.

Also, although certain judges have authority to sign the papers, I highly doubt you will ever find one who would do that for you, unless he is an avid firearms enthusiast. Most people recoil in horror when they hear the word "silencer," and it will be written right there on the form four. So the odds of finding a judge willing to do this for you are low. I interact with judges frequently (as I am an attorney) and I cannot picture any of them even wanting to be bothered with such a request.

Bottom line: I would ask your local chief and Mullen, and if they both refuse, just form the LLC and be done with it.

I happen to be fortunate enough to have a chief who will sign. Many people are not that lucky. They solve the problem by bypassing the chief altogether via an LLC, trust (which I don't like), or a corporation. Think about it- if you have to pull teeth to get signatures every time you want an NFA item (and you will want more than one, trust me), you will discover that it is easier to simply form an LLC (limited liability company) and streamline the process at the outset.

Just my two cents.

[WhiteFeather]

Originally Posted by otto_sear

While everything Whitefeather said is true, I take a different view of the situation. Look, first and foremost, you must understand that no one is obligated to sign off on the form four paperwork. So if Mullen refuses to sign, and he can do that, I fail to see what calling Kim Stolfer will accomplish.

No one is ever required to sign anything

I don't know if any of you have ever seen or used the Pro Gun Voter Guide created by Firearms Owners Against Crime or FOAC

here is FOAC web site http://www.foac-pac.org/

Kim Stolfer besides being Allegheny County Sportsmen League Legislative Chairman, Kim is also chairman of FOAC.

When it come election time and elections are going to be close people don't like to see their opponents names of voters guides in which thousands of copies are made and handed to potential voters. That is why I said to contact Kim Stolfer with anything in regards to elected officials and firearm related.

Also Kim Stolfer was the single person that rallied the coalition forces to prevent Allegheny County home rule over ride the PA Constitution for keeping the election of Sheriff in the voter’s hands as it has been for over 200 plus years instead of being another political appointed person beholding to council vs citizens. I may not like the elected sheriff's Allegheny County has in the past. The possibility of the informed voters always has had the option or opportunity to remove them by the election process if they choose to. How does the citizens remove a political appointment if they get screw over, beg the same people that appointed them in first place to remove them – highly doubtful.

Kim Stolfer has worked for many year behind the scenes protect our Constitutional rights and Kim’s name and reputation is really well know in Harrisburg by many legislators.

FOCA and ACSL have open public meeting and I encourage all of you to listen to Kim speak passionately about the defense of our Constitutional rights.

I hoped that answer your question about why to contact Kim Stolfer on this or other firearm related problems. If Kim can't help out, you will probably need a good pro-gun lawyer.

Here is ACSL web site. http://acslpa.org/

Check out the Legislative committee reports, and judge for yourself is Kim effective or not.

Originally Posted by otto_sear

Also, although certain judges have authority to sign the papers, I highly doubt you will ever find one who would do that for you, unless he is an avid firearms enthusiast. Most people recoil in horror when they hear the word "silencer," and it will be written right there on the form four. So the odds of finding a judge willing to do this for you are low. I interact with judges frequently (as I am an attorney) and I cannot picture any of them even wanting to be bothered with such a request.

You are right about highly unlikely for signature, still its an legal option provided in the 1934 NFA act that most forget to mention in options list.

When someone mentions silencer’s in a bad way or negative way as most uninformed or short sighted people always seem to do. I like to mention about all the other legal silencers (really noise moderators) that you get in trouble for not using on cars, trucks and especially motor cycles – if you think mufflers are no big deal go to one of the monster truck rallies the noise is something else.

[otto_sear]

I was not insinuating that Kim Stolfer is not an ardent supporter of my constitutional right to possess and carry firearms. All I am saying is that he can't help if Mullen refuses to sign the forms.

And no, he will not need a "good, pro-gun lawyer." As I have said many times, the answer is to form an LLC and bypass the signature requirement. Why is that so hard for you to understand WhiteFeather? No attorney is required (honest, I swear you can do the LLC paperwork yourself).