[Robert Kayland]

Originally Posted by forceinPA

What the hell happend to this thread. Its simple 105 plus 6.30 for tax and 7.00 to ship for a total of 118.30 . If I do the transfer its an extra 5.00 on top of that.

Well, it's not that simple because, as you see by the above, it's a matter of getting the order shipped to another FFL if someone can't pick them up from you. Which I imagine might be quite a few of us here. And shipping to another FFL will entail the additional cost of the standard PICS fee plus a per-firearm transfer fee, since the merchandise isn't from this FFL's stock, and all he'll be making money on is his time and trouble for the paperwork.

If your dealer charges you 25 per gun or 10 or 5 that also will be extra.

That's been my point all along.

If they charge per lower find another dealer, they are ripping you off.

If they already had the lowers in stock as part of their inventory, then you're right, it would be a rip-off...

But that's not the case we're talking about here...

We're talking about somebody asking their FFL to accept a shipment from somebody else (namely you or your source), in which their FFL will only be making money on the transfer fee, not the item itself. That's why a transfer fee will be something like $25 to $50 at most FFLs when individuals are selling things amongst themselves and not buying from dealer stock... whereas the fee charged when buying from dealer stock is merely the PICS check fee... usually only a few dollars.

Although we may not like it... as you see from previous posts, it's pretty much standard by most FFL's to have a per firearm transfer fee ON ITEMS FOR WHICH THEY'RE MERELY DOING THE TRANSFER, NOT SELLING THEIR OWN STOCK... because the FFL to which the firearm is sent otherwise makes nothing on the transaction... so, unless said FFL is a friend or you have established a relationship with him as a good customer, why should he NOT charge per firearm, since the transfer is the only way he's making a bit of money for his time and trouble on the paperwork?

Note I say "transfer fee"... it's already been clearly established that the PICS check (which is not the "transfer fee") is a one-time fee, regardless of how many are purchased.

The PICS is mandatory per PSP. the fee is for a taxable gun that is registered by the dealer. ALL dealers are charged 5 for the 1st firearm and an extra 2 bucks if you buy more than one so 2-7.00 3-9.00 4-11.00 . You see how this works.

Yes, we already know that any purchase through an FFL of these lowers requires a PICS check... that's never been disputed. And the PICS fee has already been explained and is now clear that THAT fee is a one-time charge, no matter how many firearms are purchased at that given transaction with the given FFL.

If you want a group buy on billet lowers that they have in stock they will be 225 each plus tax and transfer.

Eh, I don't think anyone is interested at that price... this thread is supposed to be for a group by at whatever the current "wait time" price is, with the understanding that there will be a waiting period... but even if said period is two or even three months, we want to make sure the order will be a definite go and delivery at whatever the wait time is quoted... because a previous group buy thread on this forum on lowers fell through at the last minute when the promised delivery date wasn't met, and many were disappointed and had to wait to get their money back.

I have one , they are very nice , but at a higher price. If you cant wait dont buy one. I am sure this company will ship within a month or two. BE patient

Eh, waiting is the plan... but on a side note, don't say in one sentence, "if you want a group buy on what they have in stock, it will be $225..." and then in the next sentence say "If you can't wait, don't buy one." It makes you look a bit disorganized and churlish.

Honestly, this shouldn't be so difficult... a simple question of TRUE current price (since prices can change week-by-week and also depend on the final order amount, I'm assuming) and delivery date... even if the delivery date is three months from now, we're just looking for something that will be definite at the quoted price and with a specific delivery date (doesn't have to be an exact day, merely within a given week or so, even if it's three months in the future).

So, inquiring minds still want to know what the final story is... are you taking orders now at the listed price of $105+$7+$6.30 per lower, and do you want payment in advance for delivery in "one to two months"? Or will you simply notify us when they have arrived, and we come and pick them up and pay at that time?

Lebanon is close enough for me to come pick them up directly from your shop and just pay the PICS check fee... saving any additional shipping or transfer fees.

But anyone who wants to order and will then need YOU (or the maker?) to ship them to their FFL should be made aware of the extra cost that their FFL will charge, since it is a transfer in his eyes, and not a sale coming from his own stock.