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Old October 12th, 2008
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Ah, yes, my sweet home state of Cali.

Unless you are "in" with the people in charge (as this article shows), You will be expected to demonstrate a "reasonable justification" in order to carry in most cities in CA. Basically that means you have to provide documentation and evidence that your life is under an IMMINENT threat from a hostile person/persons.

Also, it is not like you provide the documents and then you are sweet for the next five years.... You have to continuously provide evidence, showing that your are still under threat at any time that the cops ask. I don't know the standards for time - I just know that if you are approved you can expect to be investigated ~ once a month, and certainly more often than that during the initial first month. This is, of course, subjective to which Sheriff you are dealing with. I had heard that little country towns in North East Cali, and out in the Desert in Central and SoCal were far easier, almost like being in PA. But in the Cities....just think Philly and you get the drift of the cop's attitude towards wanting their citizens to carry.

A former co-worker of mine was involved in a shooting in his apartment complex in SoCal. As he related it to me (so take that for what it is worth): he hears screaming, grabs his 9mm and runs down stairs, sees a man beating a woman with a weapon (tire iron or The Club IIRC), blood all over the place, he orders the man to stop - man's two buddies get aggressive with knives, he shoots the man to stop the attack. The man dies at hospital, it was ruled a "Justifiable Homicide", which in Cali exempts you from any criminal or Civil recourse from families of those who were shot. Dead man was an Azerbaijani gangster. This statement is not politically incorrect of me - the fact is that my coworker now had the mans 4 brothers, plus all of his "Mafia" homies, threatening him, following him, bricks through the window, firebombed his car, followed his wife....you get the drift.

He applies for the Concealed Weapons license. In CA those are regulated @ the county level IIRC. He had to bring tape recordings, insurance reports, video of people following him. He was granted his license after much bickering. My coworker said that the real reason he felt it was granted had less to do with his need and more to do with the fact that he was a former Marine, as was the Sheriff doing the interview.

This has always stuck with me : he said something to the effect of :"It became more of a hassle to justify why I kept needing the CCW license than it was to look around for trouble and run from it."

Think about that.

The situation resolved itself - many of the man's friends started getting put up for serious time due to their "profession". Co-worker had a harder and harder time justifying possession as more and more of those threatening him went to the klink. He eventually just gave up and moved.

Thats what happens when your state doesn't have a RKBA protection built into it's Constitution. Cali's doesn't.

CA considers all of it's citizens equal. in reality:
Quote:
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.....


See my sigline for how I feel about having to justify anything to LEOs concerning one of your rights.
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