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Default HR218 / LEOSA (general info / comments ... )

[quote]I just had a talk this morning with a fellow shooter and friend who is retired NYPD. He just applied for his federal carry license being a retired LEO. He can carry any where in the USA. If you need more details I`ll get it for you. Any retired LEO can get it.[quote]

Hello Qtrborecrazy

Generally, yes - but there are some requirements Sir, for example you must have had a certain amount of time in position and be eligible for certain retirement or disability benefits.
(As a retiree this officer likely meets the first section; the latter section often rules out Reserve or Auxilliary officers).

Also, to qualify as a retiree your department must support an annual course of fire and provide you with a wallet card or similar documenting this. If your department does not do so, you cannot carry under HR218 / LEOSA. This is not as simple as it sounds: LEOSA has been in effect for several years, but the State of Florida only launched their support program in the last 6 months; effectively previously limiting LEOSA to active duty folks.

In the event that you retire far from your original department's location, say an NYPD retiree who moves to Arizona, your state of residency must support the training above AND permit outside attendees.

As a general comment, whether in your home state or out of state, you may have to absorb the costs of the annual training. For many, if a Non-Resident carry permit such as Utah's or Florida's offers coverage where the retiree lives and travels, it may be easier and substantially cheaper.

Carried in combination with ID for your former department, I suspect most LEO's would treat you with nearly the same level of courtesy as LEOSA. Only "loss" would be areas such as DC, but a substantial portion of DC is off limits anyway (federal property and the like) for some folks this may be no real "loss" at all. "Unfortunately", since this retiree resides in NJ, it seems LEOSA may be the only reasonable way to obtain "home state" coverage.


In light of their proximity to Ground Zero and the size of the department, it is likely that NYPD supports the necessary annual training. Luckily, as a NJ resident, travel to NY may not be a hardship.

Also, it appears that the NJ Atty Gen'l takes a dim view as to LEOSA generally, even encouraging NJ departments to encourage officers NOT to carry out of state ... http://www.njdcj.org/agguide/pdfs/hr-218.pdf

You also have to follow the guidelines for "common" citizens, so restrictions as to magazine capacity (15 max in NJ?) and type of ammunition (no HP's) apply.

NOTE: appended to the pdf file of the NJ AG's comments is a full copy of the LEOSA Act for your reference Sir.

... hope this helps ...
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